PFF Mock Draft has McCoy, Josephs and Hood

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Sarms58 said:
I’d be shocked if anyone took McCoy that early given that he really has only played one year in a power 4 program and is coming off a significant injury…wish the best for him but he might do better playing another year in college
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Prepared to be shocked. He is a special talent and if he plays a couple of games this year and not reinjure his knee, he will be a first rounder.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Prepared to be shocked. He is a special talent and if he plays a couple of games this year and not reinjure his knee, he will be a first rounder.
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Agree.
I have a feeling with the way things are playing out and as hush as Heupel and Company have been about the situation that McCoy and the Coaches have very good insight of him going in the 1st round with the tape he already has and his ability to prove his recovery during combine and Pro Day.

If that's the case, he's not wearing Orange on Saturday again.
 
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37620VOL said:
To me, Josephs has seemed to cool off after the first 4 games or so. I'm surprised he's a first-rounder at this point.

No way McCoy goes that high unless he comes back and proves he's 100%.
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You and I are definitely in the minority on McCoy…but I freely admit I don’t know enough about the NFL draft to really have an informed opinion
 
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LWSVOL said:
Tennessee doesn't eat any NIL money. NIL money goes to a collective which gets funds donated by businesses or fans. It costs nothing to UT... the only financial loss to UT is the revenue share portion an injured player gets a revenue share.. not sure you count that as a loss and they might have insurance to cover that. Have no idea if collectives / businesses / donors have some coverage. Businesses can continue to have the injured player fulfill his obiligations to collect his NIL.

that is my understanding of the processes...
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I think what they are getting at is that if that NIL money wasn't going to McCoy (or Boo Carter for that matter) it could have gone to one of the 2 DBs that we lost in the portal.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
When has a cornerback ever been drafted in the first round coming off knee surgery when they missed an enitre season? Not trying to be a douche I'm just curious. I can't think of one.
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Maybe not a corner but I remember Willis McGahee tearing his knee apart in the national title game against Ohio State in 2002 and still going in the 1st round to Buffalo. That was as gruesome an injury as I can remember. It happened in the national title game. And it was to a RB. Yet McGahee still went in the first round.

McCoy will be more than a year recovered from his ACL by the time he works out for NFL teams. As long as he looks physically fit in his workouts the teams will judge him on his tape in 2024. If his tape said he's a 1st round corner in 2024 then he'll go in the 1st round.
 
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ToineMac said:
They have him as the 26th best prospect and 5th best reciever. They are only projecting 4 wr in the 1st round though. He could go on night one.
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The NFL is big money and I know they use plenty of metrics to figure out who is the best prospect. Being good in college isn’t always a sign of success in the pros - they speed of the game is just so much faster and you have these freaks of nature who are 6’6”, 275 lbs and can run sub 5 second fourties’…
 
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As long as McCoy passes team physicals and grades out well at Combine and personal team workouts , McCoy will be a 1st round draft pick...2024 tape is sufficient enough as long as he passes physicals...
 
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37620VOL said:
I think what they are getting at is that if that NIL money wasn't going to McCoy (or Boo Carter for that matter) it could have gone to one of the 2 DBs that we lost in the portal.
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They were not going to pay those guys their ask no matter what the situation was or might be. Thomas agreed to a number and Miami came in and jacked it up way over. Tennessee was not going to match. I doubt anyone else got what they wanted Tennessee to pay. Same with the WRs that left.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Let's revisit in April. Possibly 0
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Agreed. It doesn't pass the eye test.
I actually believed Josephs would be a first rounder before the season started. But he just hasn't showed out that way. Regarding McCoy coming off injury, I can't even speculate. I do remember Trey Smith had all the measurables of a first rounder and fell completely out of the draft because of health concerns. And now he's All-Pro. Seems like entering the draft coming off a major injury would be a huge risk, but I trust Jermod will make an informed decision.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Tennessee doesn't eat any NIL money. NIL money goes to a collective which gets funds donated by businesses or fans. It costs nothing to UT... the only financial loss to UT is the revenue share portion an injured player gets a revenue share.. not sure you count that as a loss and they might have insurance to cover that. Have no idea if collectives / businesses / donors have some coverage. Businesses can continue to have the injured player fulfill his obiligations to collect his NIL.

that is my understanding of the processes...
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The cost is that money could be going to a player that can play
 
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Carp said:
Oregon St was a power 5 program when he was there.

And plenty of guys have gotten taken early in the draft despite concerns over torn ACLs.

He proved enough last year and he'll be completely healthy for the combine to showcase his skills. Virtually no chance he falls out of the first round.
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This explains why McCoy didn't make it back to the playing field this year, in some ways.
With nothing to play for regarding the end of the season, I would put money on the notion McCoy never sees another live snap in the O&W; he'll just hang around collecting a check and training for the draft. And without any contributions to football or any real academic aspirations, tell me again why The University of Tennessee is paying this kid a red cent? We're getting hustled, like so many other schools and their "players".
Someone needs to spend some of those millions on lawyers, not spoiled kids, and put the screws to the free-for-all, money grab without obligations, gold-digging, football-actors.
It would appear, McCoy is just collecting a check until the draft, using UTs facilities, staff, and financial resources entirely and solely for his personal gain without any return on investments for the football program or institution that provides for him.
Tennessee is getting fleeced for an extraordinary annual income, only to professionally prepare their own asset to leave in disappointing, ordinary fashion.
A player should be evaluated by team staff and if it's determined they're healthy, they should be expected to suit-up and earn the paycheck. If it's determined they are being evasive or deceptive, a player should be able to be placed on a show-cause type status and removed from the team and school. THIS type of consequence will give pause to the fraudulent behavior of these players and their handlers.
One should always speculate that without consequence(s), shook-ones will just nurse an injury until their window to move on and benefit comes to fruition. McCoy should come with a warning label that says, "buyer beware++".
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Maybe not a corner but I remember Willis McGahee tearing his knee apart in the national title game against Ohio State in 2002 and still going in the 1st round to Buffalo. That was as gruesome an injury as I can remember. It happened in the national title game. And it was to a RB. Yet McGahee still went in the first round.

McCoy will be more than a year recovered from his ACL by the time he works out for NFL teams. As long as he looks physically fit in his workouts the teams will judge him on his tape in 2024. If his tape said he's a 1st round corner in 2024 then he'll go in the 1st round.
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Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech was a first rounder who had an ACL tear in college. The ECU corner Revel tore his ACL and got taken in the 3rd round by the Cowboys.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Jermod. He’s an EASY day 1 selection if he’s healthy, but there’s gonna be questions at his position how his knee is going to hold up.
 
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IndianaVol said:
Agree.
I have a feeling with the way things are playing out and as hush as Heupel and Company have been about the situation that McCoy and the Coaches have very good insight of him going in the 1st round with the tape he already has and his ability to prove his recovery during combine and Pro Day.

If that's the case, he's not wearing Orange on Saturday again.
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Yep, fool's gold. They're playing the, "look at who I put in the league" game.
They're not going to play McCoy because getting him more than healthy and drafted benefits their own personal resumes more than winning games, in the long run.
To the player and staff, it's a win-win. McCoy gets a handsomely paid gap year to prepare for the NFL, and the coaches appear to be both nurturing and skilled.
Coaches win. Player wins.
Fans and school get fleeced and hoodwinked. Sounds about like the norm. GBO!
 
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Doctrippin said:
The cost is that money could be going to a player that can play
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I don't believe the majority of the funds donated to the collective for NIL can be allocated that way. Most moeny is for specific players to perform specific tasks to receive the NIL money. Just because Player A can't play doesn't mean he can't still perform the tasks and get his NIL funds.

NIL money is not allocated based on capability to play. There is nothing in the agreements about playing..
 
#47
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Hairy Vols said:
Our WRs underperforming in the NFL is likely part of that culprit. Expects typically think our system is not NFL WR friendly.
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Now or in the past. Morgan was a great pro. Gault had some good years in Chicago. McGee was solid and a Probowler. Miller was great. Harper was solid before he got hurt. Pickens was a Pro Bowler. AFC offensive rookie of the year. If you're talking about Heupel, Tillman is a starter when healthy. Thornton is a starter
 
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10seV4L said:
This explains why McCoy didn't make it back to the playing field this year, in some ways.
With nothing to play for regarding the end of the season, I would put money on the notion McCoy never sees another live snap in the O&W; he'll just hang around collecting a check and training for the draft. And without any contributions to football or any real academic aspirations, tell me again why The University of Tennessee is paying this kid a red cent? We're getting hustled, like so many other schools and their "players".
Someone needs to spend some of those millions on lawyers, not spoiled kids, and put the screws to the free-for-all, money grab without obligations, gold-digging, football-actors.
It would appear, McCoy is just collecting a check until the draft, using UTs facilities, staff, and financial resources entirely and solely for his personal gain without any return on investments for the football program or institution that provides for him.
Tennessee is getting fleeced for an extraordinary annual income, only to professionally prepare their own asset to leave in disappointing, ordinary fashion.
A player should be evaluated by team staff and if it's determined they're healthy, they should be expected to suit-up and earn the paycheck. If it's determined they are being evasive or deceptive, a player should be able to be placed on a show-cause type status and removed from the team and school. THIS type of consequence will give pause to the fraudulent behavior of these players and their handlers.
One should always speculate that without consequence(s), shook-ones will just nurse an injury until their window to move on and benefit comes to fruition. McCoy should come with a warning label that says, "buyer beware++".
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For one, he got hurt under our team. So yeah, we owe him every red cent. If you get hurt at work and can't work while you're recovering, I suppose you would be ok with your work not paying you?

Secondly, this is such an ignorant statement. McCoy has been actively trying to come back. Taking part in drills and going through some padded practices. You realize that puts him at risk to reinjure himself right? If he were only interested in collecting a check and sleep walking to the draft, he wouldn't be putting in the work he has.
 
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