PFF: Dobbs 6th Best QB At Running In The Country

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As for Jackson he might be faster but he's not as elusive or agile as either Watson, Ward, or Dobbs if you ask me. I think it's close for me when it comes to picking Watson or Dobbs.

Dobbs I believe is a little faster. Dobbs has a little more power in his runs. I think Watson may seem to have the better vision though like a RB should have.

I have no idea who this Davis guy is. That's laughable to even see a name that you don't even know on the list. I know that I've never seen him play myself. :eek:hmy:

LOL. Then watch the kid play some more.

He was the most elusive and agile runner I saw last year. And that's including most running backs. Him in the open field was something else.

Lamar Jackson is special. No other QB really compares to him as a runner. That's why I went with the Mike Vick comparison. That's the only guy I could think of who could run like him.
 
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch the games.

Watson also played 15 games compared to most other players playing 13.

Watson is not as fast or physical a runner as Dobbs.

How about yards per carry? Much better for Watson.
 
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Hoe about yards per carry? Much better for Watson.

QB running stats are not very indicative of running ability because of the sack yardage coming out of the QB running numbers.

Just look up Watson's running highlights and compare them to Dobbs.

There really is no comparison. Dobbs highlights are much better. More broken tackles. More explosive runs. You can see better agility and change of direction.

There's a reason in football they say TAPE DON'T LIE. That's cause numbers don't always tell the complete truth.
 
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Stats don't tell the whole story. Watch the games.

Watson also played 15 games compared to most other players playing 13.

Watson is not as fast or physical a runner as Dobbs.

I love Dobbs just as much as the next fan, but take away those extra two games and he's still got over 1000 more passing yards than Dobbs and probably a couple hundred more rushing. I'll give you one thing though, Watson had MANY more attempts passing and rushing (491 attempts passing and 207 rushing to Dobbs 344 passing and 146 rushing), but Watson is still a great QB. Stats mean everything, how else are they supposed to determine things? No I don't think Watson would be as good stat wise in the SEC, but we have to take it as it is.
 
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I love Dobbs just as much as the next fan, but take away those extra two games and he's still got over 1000 more passing yards than Dobbs and probably a couple hundred more rushing. I'll give you one thing though, Watson had MANY more attempts passing and rushing (491 attempts passing and 207 rushing to Dobbs 344 passing and 146 rushing), but Watson is still a great QB. Stats mean everything, how else are they supposed to determine things? No I don't think Watson would be as good stat wise in the SEC, but we have to take it as it is.

I don't think the argument is about the better passer between Dobbs & Watson. It has been about the better runner thus far.

I would have to give the nod to Watson in the passing game. If Dobbs improves in the passing game like the word out about him then he could become a better all around QB than DeShaun Watson. Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much. I'm basing this off last season.
 
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I don't think the argument is about the better passer between Dobbs & Watson. It has been about the better runner thus far.

I would have to give the nod to Watson in the passing game. If Dobbs improves in the passing game like the word out about him then he could become a better all around QB than DeShaun Watson. Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much. I'm basing this off last season.

Yeah it kinda was. He said Watson wasn't a great QB so I threw out stats.
 
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QB running stats are not very indicative of running ability because of the sack yardage coming out of the QB running numbers.

Just look up Watson's running highlights and compare them to Dobbs.

There really is no comparison. Dobbs highlights are much better. More broken tackles. More explosive runs. You can see better agility and change of direction.

There's a reason in football they say TAPE DON'T LIE. That's cause numbers don't always tell the complete truth.

Haha. Ahh yes, the tape....your incredible eyes and the tape.

Hey, try this one. Dobbs and Watson had three common opponents last year....Oklahoma, Alabama and South Carolina. How about you check on those games and get back to us on how they fared vs the same teams/defenses in the same year?
 
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I don't think the argument is about the better passer between Dobbs & Watson. It has been about the better runner thus far.

I would have to give the nod to Watson in the passing game. If Dobbs improves in the passing game like the word out about him then he could become a better all around QB than DeShaun Watson. Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much. I'm basing this off last season.

It is statements like this that make you lose credibility in peoples eyes.
 
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I don't think the argument is about the better passer between Dobbs & Watson. It has been about the better runner thus far.

I would have to give the nod to Watson in the passing game. If Dobbs improves in the passing game like the word out about him then he could become a better all around QB than DeShaun Watson. Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much. I'm basing this off last season.

"Not by much"?

Watson completion %...67.8

Dobbs completion %....59.6

And to be clear, Watson wasn't throwing a ton of horizontal WR and RB screens....he was throwing the ball down the field....

Watson avg yds per attempt....8.4

Dobbs avg yds per attempt...6.7


I love Josh Dobbs and have been advocating for him since his freshman year after he made his first start vs Missouri when he was by far our best offensive player even then...threw for 240 yards, set a freshman QB record for completions while also being our leading rusher.

But there's clearly some reasons why Watson is considered the best QB in the country and likely #1 overall pick in next year's NFL draft. He's simply shown to be, at this point, much better than Josh. Perhaps Josh improves and closes the gap this fall, but for now, it is what it is.
 
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"Not by much"?

Watson completion %...67.8

Dobbs completion %....59.6

And to be clear, Watson wasn't throwing a ton of horizontal WR and RB screens....he was throwing the ball down the field....

Watson avg yds per attempt....8.4

Dobbs avg yds per attempt...6.7


I love Josh Dobbs and have been advocating for him since his freshman year after he made his first start vs Missouri when he was by far our best offensive player even then...threw for 240 yards, set a freshman QB record for completions while also being our leading rusher.

But there's clearly some reasons why Watson is considered the best QB in the country and likely #1 overall pick in next year's NFL draft. He's simply shown to be, at this point, much better than Josh. Perhaps Josh improves and closes the gap this fall, but for now, it is what it is.

This is your problem. You only see what's on a stat sheet. You can't see whats on tape. There is no gap between Dobbs and Watson when it comes to TALENT.

Dobbs is as talented if not moreso than Watson.

There have been disparate results so far in terms of box score stats because Watson plays in a more friendly scheme. His coach allows him to throw a lot more. He got to run more. The offense was totally built on him. Dobbs on the other hand has 2 5* RBs he's handing it off to 60+% of the time. And he has an ultra conservative coach who will only let him loose if we're down 2+ TDs.


In the end talent always wins out. And Dobbs will prove he's as good if not better than Watson.

Josh will have a monster 2016.
 
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QB running stats are not very indicative of running ability because of the sack yardage coming out of the QB running numbers.

Just look up Watson's running highlights and compare them to Dobbs.

There really is no comparison. Dobbs highlights are much better. More broken tackles. More explosive runs. You can see better agility and change of direction.

There's a reason in football they say TAPE DON'T LIE. That's cause numbers don't always tell the complete truth.

I'll agree that Dobbs is very elusive. Idk how he avoids half the defenders that come after him.
 
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It is statements like this that make you lose credibility in peoples eyes.

7% completion % is a great deal bigger than Dobbs by Watson. Keep in mind also that Dobbs had several dropped passes & most were by Josh Malone & Preston Williams. Ethan Wolf even had a couple himself. So don't blame all of these inaccuracies and/or completion %'s on Dobbs himself.

Is Watson a better overall QB? I believe I did say that didn't I? So, what are you talking about in credibility circumstances? The evidence points to it being not by much either. If that's the problem with my statement that's ridiculous!

Yes, Watson was a Heisman finalist. Dobbs didn't have the players or media behind him like he does now. I wouldn't be surprised at all for Dobbs to be a Heisman finalist this coming season.

"Not by much"?

Watson completion %...67.8

Dobbs completion %....59.6

And to be clear, Watson wasn't throwing a ton of horizontal WR and RB screens....he was throwing the ball down the field....

Watson avg yds per attempt....8.4

Dobbs avg yds per attempt...6.7


I love Josh Dobbs and have been advocating for him since his freshman year after he made his first start vs Missouri when he was by far our best offensive player even then...threw for 240 yards, set a freshman QB record for completions while also being our leading rusher.

But there's clearly some reasons why Watson is considered the best QB in the country and likely #1 overall pick in next year's NFL draft. He's simply shown to be, at this point, much better than Josh. Perhaps Josh improves and closes the gap this fall, but for now, it is what it is.

Like I said above Watson coming into the 2016 season is the better QB. Why are you even bringing me into the conversation about who's the better QB? I never stated in any posts that Dobbs was better except as a running QB.

D4H is the one I believe you need to take up on trying to start an argument/disagreement on this particular category because I NEVER made such a comment/post that Dobbs was the better overall QB. Thanks!
 
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7% completion % is a great deal bigger than Dobbs by Watson. Keep in mind also that Dobbs had several dropped passes & most were by Josh Malone & Preston Williams. Ethan Wolf even had a couple himself. So don't blame all of these inaccuracies and/or completion %'s on Dobbs himself.

Is Watson a better overall QB? I believe I did say that didn't I? So, what are you talking about in credibility circumstances? The evidence points to it being not by much either. If that's the problem with my statement that's ridiculous!

Yes, Watson was a Heisman finalist. Dobbs didn't have the players or media behind him like he does now. I wouldn't be surprised at all for Dobbs to be a Heisman finalist this coming season.



Like I said above Watson coming into the 2016 season is the better QB. Why are you even bringing me into the conversation about who's the better QB? I never stated in any posts that Dobbs was better except as a running QB.

D4H is the one I believe you need to take up on trying to start an argument/disagreement on this particular category because I NEVER made such a comment/post that Dobbs was the better overall QB. Thanks!

I'm sure Watson's receivers dropped zero passes. Also not sure where you get the Preston Williams drops from. I think I remember one. Can you give a specific game?
 
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7% completion % is a great deal bigger than Dobbs by Watson. Keep in mind also that Dobbs had several dropped passes & most were by Josh Malone & Preston Williams. Ethan Wolf even had a couple himself. So don't blame all of these inaccuracies and/or completion %'s on Dobbs himself.

Is Watson a better overall QB? I believe I did say that didn't I? So, what are you talking about in credibility circumstances? The evidence points to it being not by much either. If that's the problem with my statement that's ridiculous!

Yes, Watson was a Heisman finalist. Dobbs didn't have the players or media behind him like he does now. I wouldn't be surprised at all for Dobbs to be a Heisman finalist this coming season.



Like I said above Watson coming into the 2016 season is the better QB. Why are you even bringing me into the conversation about who's the better QB? I never stated in any posts that Dobbs was better except as a running QB.

D4H is the one I believe you need to take up on trying to start an argument/disagreement on this particular category because I NEVER made such a comment/post that Dobbs was the better overall QB. Thanks!

Now you are contradicting yourself. In an earlier post you stated that "Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much." Then you make the above statement. Make up your mind. Watson is that much better at this point in time, and the guy is a true JR. I am tired of hearing about all the additional throws etc that Watson had. The reason he had more opportunities is simple, the offense was moving the chains, hence, more plays, it is simple math. Also, I do believe that Clemson had a RB go for over 1500 yds as well.

Tusk pointed out the similarities between Dobbs and Brandon Harris, and you guys might not like it, but, he is spot on. BTW Harris is a true JR as well.

Dobbs is a great athlete playing QB, Watson is a great QB who happens to be a great athlete as well. And D4H, potential without results is just wasted opportunities. I will be glad to eat crow if Dobbs can exceed Watson's numbers, but, it ain't happening.
 
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Now you are contradicting yourself. In an earlier post you stated that "Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much." Then you make the above statement. Make up your mind. Watson is that much better at this point in time, and the guy is a true JR. I am tired of hearing about all the additional throws etc that Watson had. The reason he had more opportunities is simple, the offense was moving the chains, hence, more plays, it is simple math. Also, I do believe that Clemson had a RB go for over 1500 yds as well.

Tusk pointed out the similarities between Dobbs and Brandon Harris, and you guys might not like it, but, he is spot on. BTW Harris is a true JR as well.

Dobbs is a great athlete playing QB, Watson is a great QB who happens to be a great athlete as well. And D4H, potential without results is just wasted opportunities. I will be glad to eat crow if Dobbs can exceed Watson's numbers, but, it ain't happening.

I'm not contradicting myself. I said Watson beat Dobbs by 7% completion %. That's not a great number in college football. It's not as close as 1-2% but it's also not 10% either. Bottom line is I was accused of lying. I NEVER stated that Dobbs was a better QB than Watson.

I'm one of the easiest going people you'll ever meet on these forums but I don't like people telling lies or putting words in my mouth either. I don't know if you were involved in accusing me of saying this or not but at least one member did. It's not true & I don't appreciate it. I will speak my opinion & it will ALWAYS be with honesty! ALWAYS!

When somebody says I'm lying or contradicting myself then I don't like that at all. I will always forgive any that offends me because that's how the Lord teaches me to live but the plain out false accusations is something that gets to me more than anything on these forums.

I don't believe 1/2 of the people on these forums completely read member's post. They're already in fire back mode before even getting the FULL post read. It's like 2/3 of the people on these forums just look to cause controversy or get on other people's nerves. That's not how I work but I will defend myself in a proper Godly manner. Thanks!
 
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The only thing that I said was that you were contradicting yourself, in one statement you say "Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much. , then the next statement you said "7% completion % is a great deal bigger than Dobbs by Watson".

That my friend is a contradiction.

And to top it off you go back and state "I'm not contradicting myself. I said Watson beat Dobbs by 7% completion %. That's not a great number in college football".

This is why I said that you lose credibility, as warped as D4H's thinking is, at least he is consistent. If you are going to state it, at least own it.
 
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No, not at all. You will not win the SEC and beyond being one-dimensional on offense. Spread or not. The barn rode the power spread on their NC run. Cam had to pass well and often, and he had a stable of backs who could push the ball downfield.

Tennessee is not as one-dimensional as you make them out to be. Looking at the stats on play calling - UT passed 37.6% of the time. Alabama passed 40.9% of the time.
 
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This is your problem. You only see what's on a stat sheet. You can't see whats on tape. There is no gap between Dobbs and Watson when it comes to TALENT.

Dobbs is as talented if not moreso than Watson.

There have been disparate results so far in terms of box score stats because Watson plays in a more friendly scheme. His coach allows him to throw a lot more. He got to run more. The offense was totally built on him. Dobbs on the other hand has 2 5* RBs he's handing it off to 60+% of the time. And he has an ultra conservative coach who will only let him loose if we're down 2+ TDs.


In the end talent always wins out. And Dobbs will prove he's as good if not better than Watson.

Josh will have a monster 2016.


And your primary problem is your arrogance and unwillingness to factor in objective measurement if it doesn't suit your purpose. And I suspect very strongly that if the shoe were on the other foot and it was Josh who had the much more impressive numbers, you'd be shouting them from the rooftops as evidence that he was better. You know and I know it.



1. I've seen every game Josh Dobbs has ever played at UT. I've thought from day 1, the first time that I saw him play, when he entered the game in the second half vs Bama his freshman year, that he was a talented young playmaking QB, and I think I was right about him. The difference is that, unlike you, I and others can see his one primary weakness and well as his other many strengths. And as good as Josh is, which is plenty good, there is absolutely, positively a gap in throwing ability/throwing accuracy between Josh and Deshaun.....and it's the primary reason why so many have Deshaun as the #1 college QB in the country, and Josh a good bit on further down the list, closer to the 9th or 10th.

2. Watson gets to throw more than Josh because Dabo trusts him much more than Butch trusts Josh IMO.....many Vol practice observers/insiders have made this comment and observation.

3. The argument could easily be made that Tennessee's offense is built as much around Josh as Clemson's is built around Deshaun. Josh, between his pass attempts and runs last year averaged about 37 "touches" per game.....that's much more than either Hurd (23) or AK (11) for sure....as a matter of fact, it's more than those two combined. You'll see similar numbers in terms of ratios if you look at Clemson's offense. Only real difference is that Watson is more efficient and productive in every measure than Josh.....better completion %, more yards per pass attempt, more yards per carry, more touchdowns.....thus he gets more trust and more individual attempts/touches per game.

4. Watson actually played with a running back who got nearly 300 carries ran for more yards had a better yards per carry average than Hurd last year. So your attempt to make it as though Watson didn't rely on help from others in his backfield was a poor one.

5. I agree that Jones has an ultra conservative side with regards to his offensive gameplans and that it likely hinders Josh at times. But again, if Dobbs was showing more in practice, was lighting it up throwing the ball there, then Jones likely adjusts the gameplan and lets him do more on Saturdays.

6. Hope Josh has a monster season as well. And for the purposes of this thread and comparisons to Watson, he better if he's gonna close the gap on Deshaun, cause I can assure you hes about to put up huge numbers again this year.
 
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Now you are contradicting yourself. In an earlier post you stated that "Watson seems to have the better arm & accuracy but not by much." Then you make the above statement. Make up your mind. Watson is that much better at this point in time, and the guy is a true JR. I am tired of hearing about all the additional throws etc that Watson had. The reason he had more opportunities is simple, the offense was moving the chains, hence, more plays, it is simple math. Also, I do believe that Clemson had a RB go for over 1500 yds as well.

Tusk pointed out the similarities between Dobbs and Brandon Harris, and you guys might not like it, but, he is spot on. BTW Harris is a true JR as well.

Dobbs is a great athlete playing QB, Watson is a great QB who happens to be a great athlete as well. And D4H, potential without results is just wasted opportunities. I will be glad to eat crow if Dobbs can exceed Watson's numbers, but, it ain't happening.

Don't care about numbers. I care about results.

Dobbs will win the national title and the Heisman. Watson won't.

And thats all that matters.
 
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Tennessee is not as one-dimensional as you make them out to be. Looking at the stats on play calling - UT passed 37.6% of the time. Alabama passed 40.9% of the time.


And you think stats determine if you are running a balanced offense? Bama's defense is going to try to take what you do best away from you. If that 37.6% solves that for you, you are good to go. It didn't last year.
 
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I thought this was a topic about QBs running abilities. How did this turn into bickering about Dobbs vs Watson and who is the better passer. No wonder other fan bases think we are a bunch of idiots and just laugh at us. Can't even stay on topic for more than 2 pages.
 
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