Peyton With A 28

#26
#26
farmersdaughter said:
I thought I saw an interview with terry bradshaw where he stated that he was either dislexic or adhd, can't remember now where I saw that.... May be part of the reason his score was lower
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Nice triple post there. I'm impressed :)
 
#27
#27
Have QBs studied for it more recently? That would be my guess. Peyton Manning is VERY intelligent, and his score is below average. I don't buy for one second that he took the test all that seriously.
 
#29
#29
OK maybe I'm not supposed to notice this, but I'll just go ahead and mention the elephant in the room - Is the Wonderlic a racist test? Why are so many blacks at the bottom and whites at the top? There are some outliers on both sides (medium-higher end blacks - Freeman, Russell... lower end whites, Marino, Bradshaw, etc.) but overall the results are blatantly skewed on both sides. Does anyone else not find this odd?
 
#31
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tennesseekilt said:
OK maybe I'm not supposed to notice this, but I'll just go ahead and mention the elephant in the room - Is the Wonderlic a racist test? Why are so many blacks at the bottom and whites at the top? There are some outliers on both sides (medium-higher end blacks - Freeman, Russell... lower end whites, Marino, Bradshaw, etc.) but overall the results are blatantly skewed on both sides. Does anyone else not find this odd?
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hahahaha! Since the Wonderlic is a cognitive ability test, I guess the results prove that the black athletes make it more often on ability and the white guys make it with brains.
 
#33
#33
CA_Vol said:
Peyton's work ethic is what separates him from others. While he is of course very intelligent, he out works everyone else and is a great leader.
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It's not just Peyton's work ethic. I recall a special ESPN had on before the super bowl when they played the Saints that spoke of Peyton having Acute Hyperthimesia (sp?) which basically was the fancy way of saying he remembers certain things extremely well. Like say, defensive schemes. People often confused intelligence and memory. Not saying you did, Peyton is a smart man, but his memory is better than his smarts, as the Wonderlic shows the entire cognitive ability of the brain.
 
#34
#34
I bet Luck scores off the charts. Dude is incredibly intelligent, and he'll be a hell of an NFL QB.
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#35
#35
tennesseekilt said:
OK maybe I'm not supposed to notice this, but I'll just go ahead and mention the elephant in the room - Is the Wonderlic a racist test? Why are so many blacks at the bottom and whites at the top? There are some outliers on both sides (medium-higher end blacks - Freeman, Russell... lower end whites, Marino, Bradshaw, etc.) but overall the results are blatantly skewed on both sides. Does anyone else not find this odd?
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Yeah that's it.....racism. You cracked the case Sherlock.
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#36
#36
RedStickVOL said:
Cowherd was talking about this very subject this morning. He seems to think (TIFWIW) that the reason those QBs were successful is because they played in a different, much less complex NFL. I can kind of see what he is saying in that Marino et al didn't have the pre-snap reads, motions, etc. that Manning and Brady have to deal with now. Thus, it didn't take a rocket scientist to play QB 20 years ago it just took a great athlete.
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Just what in the world does Cowherd know about football and pre-snap reads.....Did He play against the Bears defense and beat them??? I remember that game when Miami beat Chicago on MNF...although I never really liked Marino, he could play with anybody anytime!
 
#38
#38
VolsSportsFan said:
Yeah that's it.....racism. You cracked the case Sherlock.
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Come on man. I sense your sarcasm but you know the rules. You are not allowed to come to any other conclusion so don't even go there. The questions are how is the Wonderlic test racist and why is the NFL using a racist test?
 
#39
#39
any NFL test where Jamarcus Russell can get within 4 points of Peyton is not racist
 
#40
#40
utvolpj said:
I believe so. He's a smart guy

someone in the past few years got a perfect score I believe (Harvard guy?)

edit: yep it was Pat McInally from Harvard with a 50
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He was a punter so I guess all of his brain power was wasted.
 
#41
#41
thebjd said:
He was a punter so I guess all of his brain power was wasted.
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perhaps but he got a Harvard degree, played for years in the NFL and could still walk when he retired. Still think it was wasted? :)
 
#43
#43
utvolpj said:
any NFL test where Jamarcus Russell can get within 4 points of Peyton is not racist
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Point well made. However Manning's score is actually right on average, for whites, while Russell is high for blacks.

Consider this:

If I calculated correctly, considering all the data listed on the site this thread is referring to - the average Wonderlic for

black QBs is 17.8

white QBs is 28.4

Either the test is racist (is it?) or we have to violate some pretty well-established rules of political correctness, which we aren't really 'allowed' to violate, to explain this.
 
#44
#44
Are jails racist too? C'mon, man...how about we stick to the subject.

I think QB's in today's NFL need to be smart and hard working to succeed. I good wonderlic score might indicate whether or not a draft prospect has the mental skill set to take on the job but there is no way to determine heart and desire, which I feel is even more important to players doing well.
 
#45
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tennesseekilt said:
Point well made. However Manning's score is actually right on average, for whites, while Russell is high for blacks.

Consider this:

If I calculated correctly, considering all the data listed on the site this thread is referring to - the average Wonderlic for

black QBs is 17.8

white QBs is 28.4

Either the test is racist (is it?) or we have to violate some pretty well-established rules of political correctness, which we aren't really 'allowed' to violate, to explain this.
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I don't think it matters. Others have already pointed out that the top scorers in that group are all losers. If anything it would be more interesting to see the scores of every QB who takes the test and then compare that score to actual winning.
 
#47
#47
TIFWIW if you have never taken or seen the Wonderlic. I have taken it as a part of employment screening. It is a very fast paced test with many questions and little time to complete. Virtually no one will ever complete all the answers in the alloted time. It's kind of designed that way. Anything mid-20's and up is not bad. I think there were 50 questions total with 12 minutes to complete. Your score is basically the number of questions you complete correctly in that time.
 
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