Peyton Manning Named Most Dominant NFLer of Last 2 Decades

[n_huffhines]

Perhaps the greatest testament to Peyton Manning’s sustained excellence? He made being elite look ordinary; he was just that good. The 539 passing touchdowns, an NFL record. The 71,940 passing yards, also a league mark. The 186 wins at quarterback, the most in the NFL at the time of his retirement — a record that he held until last October, when foil and fellow ridiculously dominant QB Tom Brady seized that honor. Ponder the sheer amount of year-in, year-out greatness required to amass those numbers. Those 539 TDs? He threw for at least 25 touchdowns in 16 seasons — three more than Brady. The 71,940 yards? He racked up 4,000-yard seasons before they were de rigueur, reaching that mark 14 times overall (more than any other quarterback) and every year from 1999 to 2004, when no other QB did so more than two times. The 186 wins? Those can add up when you boast a .750 winning percentage (or better) against half the league. Dominating opponents? Nothing out of the ordinary.

ESPN Magazine names Peyton Manning 'most dominant' football player of past two decades

 

[Big Orange Rob]

Awesome! Well deserved.

 

[Iam4utalways]

I thought he had won 200 games.

 

[CTVolsfan14]

I thought he had won 200 games.

He won 200 including playoffs. (14-13)

It was smart of ESPN to leave the playoff wins and records out of it, wouldn't support the narrative of putting Peyton #1 :hi:

 

[n_huffhines]

He won 200 including playoffs. (14-13)

It was smart of ESPN to leave the playoff wins and records out of it, wouldn't support the narrative of putting Peyton #1 :hi:

27 playoff games and a winning record supports his case. That's the 3rd most wins and 2nd most appearances.

You're like the people who say Lebron's finals record is a blot against him. It's hard to make the playoffs. It's hard to win without a defense.

Look at Brady's playoff record since he got paid (so they're short on other assets) with the greatest coach of all time. Brady is clearly a more dominant player now than he was in 2004, but he was 9-0 in the playoffs in 2004 and he's 18-9 since. Playoff winning is a team dominance thing.

 

[OneVolNation]

Congrats to the VFL!

 

[CTVolsfan14]

27 playoff games and a winning record supports his case. That's the 3rd most wins and 2nd most appearances.

You're like the people who say Lebron's finals record is a blot against him. It's hard to make the playoffs. It's hard to win without a defense.

Look at Brady's playoff record since he got paid (so they're short on other assets) with the greatest coach of all time. Brady is clearly a more dominant player now than he was in 2004, but he was 9-0 in the playoffs in 2004 and he's 18-9 since. Playoff winning is a team dominance thing.

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

If you want to sit here and say he's the best I ever saw, thats fine. Your opinion. There's guys that say that about Dan Marino, Montana, Elway.. and that's fine. If we all agreed that'd be boring.

But the facts are the facts. I love Peyton. GREAT ambassador for my beloved Vols and the best we have ever produced. He was absolutely lethal during the regular season, and those Peyton vs Tom matchups were the most enjoyable of my life to watch. In clutch time though I'll take Tom every time, you can disagree and that's fine. I'll be on the winning side of that more times than not if we look at their careers.

Brady has the best coach of all time. That guy was fired and had a losing record in NE before he got Tom. Peyton also had a Hall of Fame coach and had more pro bowlers during his career than Tom on the offensive side of the ball, it's not close as well. Peyton also went one and done in the playoffs 9 times, 8 times at home vs a team with a worse record. I can rebuttal the Peyton facts for days.

To the Peyton defenders like yourself, you just have to say he's the best qb you ever saw throw the ball indoors.. it's tough to argue with that. If you want to try and bring stats into it you will lose.. every time.

 

[Hacksaw]

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

If you want to sit here and say he's the best I ever saw, thats fine. Your opinion. There's guys that say that about Dan Marino, Montana, Elway.. and that's fine. If we all agreed that'd be boring.

But the facts are the facts. I love Peyton. GREAT ambassador for my beloved Vols and the best we have ever produced. He was absolutely lethal during the regular season, and those Peyton vs Tom matchups were the most enjoyable of my life to watch. In clutch time though I'll take Tom every time, you can disagree and that's fine. I'll be on the winning side of that more times than not if we look at their careers.

Brady has the best coach of all time. That guy was fired and had a losing record in NE before he got Tom. Peyton also had a Hall of Fame coach and had more pro bowlers during his career than Tom on the offensive side of the ball, it's not close as well. Peyton also went one and done in the playoffs 9 times, 8 times at home vs a team with a worse record. I can rebuttal the Peyton facts for days.

To the Peyton defenders like yourself, you just have to say he's the best qb you ever saw throw the ball indoors.. it's tough to argue with that. If you want to try and bring stats into it you will lose.. every time.

Tom is the prettiest. And he played his entire career with the dominant team of his era -- and for the same head coach (who just happens to be possibly the greatest of all-time).

Peyton is the GOAT. His QB metrics are better than Brady's. You are simply wrong when it comes to the stats proving your argument.

...but you didn't want to restart the Brady-Manning debate again.

 

[615vols]

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

If you want to sit here and say he's the best I ever saw, thats fine. Your opinion. There's guys that say that about Dan Marino, Montana, Elway.. and that's fine. If we all agreed that'd be boring.

But the facts are the facts. I love Peyton. GREAT ambassador for my beloved Vols and the best we have ever produced. He was absolutely lethal during the regular season, and those Peyton vs Tom matchups were the most enjoyable of my life to watch. In clutch time though I'll take Tom every time, you can disagree and that's fine. I'll be on the winning side of that more times than not if we look at their careers.

Brady has the best coach of all time. That guy was fired and had a losing record in NE before he got Tom. Peyton also had a Hall of Fame coach and had more pro bowlers during his career than Tom on the offensive side of the ball, it's not close as well. Peyton also went one and done in the playoffs 9 times, 8 times at home vs a team with a worse record. I can rebuttal the Peyton facts for days.

To the Peyton defenders like yourself, you just have to say he's the best qb you ever saw throw the ball indoors.. it's tough to argue with that. If you want to try and bring stats into it you will lose.. every time.

Except Peyton was 2-0 against Brady in afc championship games, 3-2 vs Brady overall in playoff matchups. Also won a super bowl with 2 different teams. So there's that.

 

[Behr]

...but you didn't want to restart the Brady-Manning debate again.

Haha.

 

[Daloth]

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

If you want to sit here and say he's the best I ever saw, thats fine. Your opinion. There's guys that say that about Dan Marino, Montana, Elway.. and that's fine. If we all agreed that'd be boring.

But the facts are the facts. I love Peyton. GREAT ambassador for my beloved Vols and the best we have ever produced. He was absolutely lethal during the regular season, and those Peyton vs Tom matchups were the most enjoyable of my life to watch. In clutch time though I'll take Tom every time, you can disagree and that's fine. I'll be on the winning side of that more times than not if we look at their careers.

Brady has the best coach of all time. That guy was fired and had a losing record in NE before he got Tom. Peyton also had a Hall of Fame coach and had more pro bowlers during his career than Tom on the offensive side of the ball, it's not close as well. Peyton also went one and done in the playoffs 9 times, 8 times at home vs a team with a worse record. I can rebuttal the Peyton facts for days.

To the Peyton defenders like yourself, you just have to say he's the best qb you ever saw throw the ball indoors.. it's tough to argue with that. If you want to try and bring stats into it you will lose.. every time.

Strange, because I (and the numbers) say Brady is the best system QB of all time. Almost like you could plug in any random Joe (Cassel, Brisset) and keep winning, or even set records.

Fact is, Brady could not do all the things Peyton did, but Peyton could do everything Brady did. If you swap both of them and nothing else, you easily see Peyton + Belichick + those defenses go to 7 or 8 straight super bowls, and probably win all of them.

 

[volsportsfan]

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

If you want to sit here and say he's the best I ever saw, thats fine. Your opinion. There's guys that say that about Dan Marino, Montana, Elway.. and that's fine. If we all agreed that'd be boring.

But the facts are the facts. I love Peyton. GREAT ambassador for my beloved Vols and the best we have ever produced. He was absolutely lethal during the regular season, and those Peyton vs Tom matchups were the most enjoyable of my life to watch. In clutch time though I'll take Tom every time, you can disagree and that's fine. I'll be on the winning side of that more times than not if we look at their careers.

Brady has the best coach of all time. That guy was fired and had a losing record in NE before he got Tom. Peyton also had a Hall of Fame coach and had more pro bowlers during his career than Tom on the offensive side of the ball, it's not close as well. Peyton also went one and done in the playoffs 9 times, 8 times at home vs a team with a worse record. I can rebuttal the Peyton facts for days.

To the Peyton defenders like yourself, you just have to say he's the best qb you ever saw throw the ball indoors.. it's tough to argue with that. If you want to try and bring stats into it you will lose.. every time.

I honestly couldn't tell you who is better. If I were made to pick, I might go with Brady. That being said, look what happened to Indy when Peyton got hurt. Look what happened to Denver when an old broken Manning retired. Neither made the playoffs. Denver, with the maybe the best or second best defense in the league, without Manning, couldn't make the playoffs.

What a testament to the greatness of Peyton Manning. Brady has all those rings, but you take Manning away from 2 different super bowl winning teams, and neither can even sniff the playoffs. WOW

 

[Giveem6]

Congratulations to Manning on another accolade small or not to his name. He was the greatest "student of the game". 30 minute film sessions turned into 4 hour sessions with Manning on many occasions.

My question though is why come in and start talking about Tom brady. Who gives a rats ass

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

The real goat

 

[05_never_again]

I honestly couldn't tell you who is better. If I were made to pick, I might go with Brady.

Depends on what your objective is. If you want a QB for fantasy football, go with Peyton. If you want a QB because you have to win the next game, go with Brady.

Peyton more than shed the "can't win a big game" label he had for many years, but he still wasn't the big game winner Brady is. His 14-13 playoff record is impressive on the one hand because it means his teams made the playoffs a ton of times. It also means they got bounced early a bunch of times. To be as good of a player as he was, there were a bunch of games where he (and his teams) laid eggs. It simply hasn't happened anywhere near as often to Brady and his teams.

It's also worth noting that for the entirety of his career, Peyton had offensive players around him who will go down, at a minimum, as really good players in their eras (Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Demaryius Thomas, etc.).

Brady has only played with 2 primetime players his whole career - Randy Moss (only for 3+ years) and Gronk (who is perpetually injured). Outside of those guys, he's never had a premier pass catcher (Brady made Wes Welker, not the other way around), runningback, and even in some years his offensive lines have been patchwork. Belichick is ultimately the genius behind it all.

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm not here to get into a Brady Manning debate. It's one thats impossible to have with most Vol fans. But you do realize Peyton Manning is 14-13 overall so not sure where you think saying Tom only being 18-9 since starting 9-0 supports your argument.

You don't understand my argument. I'm not really trying to make it a Manning vs. Brady comparison, I'm trying to argue that Manning's playoff record is a testament to his dominance. I brought up the Brady 18-9 vs 9-0 thing, not as a comparison to Manning in any way, but as a demonstration that Brady's playoff record is clearly worse during his best years. If playoff results are solely about how good you are, then Brady's playoff record during his prime makes no sense.

In the salary cap era, it's very hard to consistently make/win playoff games. Brady and Manning are two exceptions to that rule. Only 5 QB's have played in 20 playoff games in the salary cap era and have double digit wins (if you count Elway, who mostly played before).

Manning's playoff record shows his dominance. Do you follow?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Weren't the total passing yards done without benefit of the extra playoff games also?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Tom is the prettiest. And he played his entire career with the dominant team of his era -- and for the same head coach (who just happens to be possibly the greatest of all-time).

Peyton is the GOAT. His QB metrics are better than Brady's. You are simply wrong when it comes to the stats proving your argument.

...but you didn't want to restart the Brady-Manning debate again.

Bolded 1: therefore, D4H approves
Bolded 2: yes, I agree with Behr....ROFL!

 

[114VOL]

Tom is the prettiest. And he played his entire career with the dominant team of his era -- and for the same head coach (who just happens to be possibly the greatest of all-time).

Peyton is the GOAT. His QB metrics are better than Brady's. You are simply wrong when it comes to the stats proving your argument.

...but you didn't want to restart the Brady-Manning debate again.

In the regular season he might be, but coupled with some huge chokes in the playoffs, there are a few I would take ahead of him. He's nowhere near the talent of Aaron Rodgers, who's had far inferior players to work with than Peyton.

 

[114VOL]

Strange, because I (and the numbers) say Brady is the best system QB of all time. Almost like you could plug in any random Joe (Cassel, Brisset) and keep winning, or even set records.

Fact is, Brady could not do all the things Peyton did, but Peyton could do everything Brady did. If you swap both of them and nothing else, you easily see Peyton + Belichick + those defenses go to 7 or 8 straight super bowls, and probably win all of them.

Belicheck was terrible until Brady became his QB. BTW, with Cassell at QB the Pats won seven fewer games in 2008, so it did make a difference who was playing QB

 

[n_huffhines]

In the regular season he might be, but coupled with some huge chokes in the playoffs, there are a few I would take ahead of him. He's nowhere near the talent of Aaron Rodgers, who's had far inferior players to work with than Peyton.

You would take Rodgers over Manning? Rodgers has had plenty of weapons. His playoff record is just 9-7. Not exactly clutch in comparison to Manning.

Rodgers is average on the road. He's 59-15 at home and 38-37 on the road. Peyton was 85-48 on the road. He could ball in front of a hostile crowd with noise.

 

[butchna]

Depends on what your objective is. If you want a QB for fantasy football, go with Peyton. If you want a QB because you have to win the next game, go with Brady.

Peyton more than shed the "can't win a big game" label he had for many years, but he still wasn't the big game winner Brady is. His 14-13 playoff record is impressive on the one hand because it means his teams made the playoffs a ton of times. It also means they got bounced early a bunch of times. To be as good of a player as he was, there were a bunch of games where he (and his teams) laid eggs. It simply hasn't happened anywhere near as often to Brady and his teams.

It's also worth noting that for the entirety of his career, Peyton had offensive players around him who will go down, at a minimum, as really good players in their eras (Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Demaryius Thomas, etc.).

Brady has only played with 2 primetime players his whole career - Randy Moss (only for 3+ years) and Gronk (who is perpetually injured). Outside of those guys, he's never had a premier pass catcher (Brady made Wes Welker, not the other way around), runningback, and even in some years his offensive lines have been patchwork. Belichick is ultimately the genius behind it all.

How great were these players without Peyton? Wes Walker was as good (or better) with Peyton as he was Brady...even further down the end of his career. How many great Colts OL balled out at other stops?

And add Corey Dillon to Brady’s list. He was a head case but at the top of his game when the Pats picked him up.

 

[n_huffhines]

Belicheck was terrible until Brady became his QB. BTW, with Cassell at QB the Pats won seven fewer games in 2008, so it did make a difference who was playing QB

What?!!

Bellichek won 2 SB's and was known as the best X's and O's assistant in the league.

He took the Browns to the playoffs as a young HC. THE BROWNS. I believe that was their last playoff win.

He won 5 fewer games with no Brady, not 7. Cassel was a scrub and they still won 11 and Brady wasn't the only guy they lost. They lost a lot that year. The next year, Brady only won 10...fewer games than Cassel.

 

[114VOL]

You would take Rodgers over Manning? Rodgers has had plenty of weapons. His playoff record is just 9-7. Not exactly clutch in comparison to Manning.

Rodgers is average on the road. He's 59-15 at home and 38-37 on the road. Peyton was 85-48 on the road. He could ball in front of a hostile crowd with noise.

Yep, without blinking an eye. You give him the offensive line Peyton had for his career, and his overall record would be much better. Peyton can't make that throw that Rodgers did against Dallas last year on the final drive of that playoff game. BTW, that was on the road

 

[114VOL]

What?!!

Bellichek won 2 SB's and was known as the best X's and O's assistant in the league.

He took the Browns to the playoffs as a young HC. THE BROWNS. I believe that was their last playoff win.

He won 5 fewer games with no Brady, not 7. Cassel was a scrub and they still won 11 and Brady wasn't the only guy they lost. They lost a lot that year. The next year, Brady only won 10...fewer games than Cassel.

He didn't win a Super Bowl until Brady was his QB.

2007 the Pats went 18-1. In 2008 they went 11-5. You need to do some more research. BTW, Cassel made a Pro Bowl with KC, so he's not a scrub.

Those are facts. You're in a big boy league debate here, son. Probably should retool your research efforts