Pete Thamel article on payment of players

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okay, I am about to pizz a lot you folks off. I don't come into this forum because you know more than I do and bite my head off. Kinda like my ex. NO: collegiate students, hear me, students should not be compensated. They are there for an education. As Jimi said: cuse me while I kiss the sky.. If they want to sell their own image or body....it's like a whore.
 
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Juanita said:
okay, I am about to pizz a lot you folks off. I don't come into this forum because you know more than I do and bite my head off. Kinda like my ex. NO: collegiate students, hear me, students should not be compensated. They are there for an education. As Jimi said: cuse me while I kiss the sky.. If they want to sell their own image or body....it's like a whore.
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There was a reason they fought this for so long. Will change the sport to semi pro. They will have to restrict it to some point or it may basically ruin college football..
 
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okay I think it was "while you touch the sky." No disrespect meant to anyone.
 
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Alright. Maybe I am being mama. Don't mess with my kids's head while in school. I don't care if you can block. Tackle those books.
 
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sunnyvol79 said:
It was a terrible idea to make paying players legal
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Agreed. But just like everything else the NCAA lays it's corrupt hands on, it turns to fecal material. In order for change to take place in a truly positive way, we must rid ourselves of the corrupt NCAA. I honestly do not have any confidence that an organization so lacking integrity can be overhauled. Once a group of schools grows a large enough set, they will break out. It will be the College Sports version of the falling of the Berlin Wall. We need a Ronald Regan. "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!"
 
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J C Higgins said:
Whether you agree or not at least he's making the general public aware of the problem by bringing the subject up.


The new way of compensating college athletes is chaotic and 'not a sustainable model.' Here's a solution
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I’ve been saying much of this since the Supreme Court ruling. However his solutions are absurd. Does he really thing congress is going to make an exemption to title ix for revenue sharing!? Lol! Not to get too political but the kind of people Thamel votes for are exactly the ones who are likely to be the most vehemently opposed to that idea. And casually mentioning that universities can cut head coach pay and eliminate some assistant AD positions is being willfully ignorant. The amount of cuts needed to offset paying every S Carolina football player $100,000+ per year will far exceed any assistant AD salary and good luck hiring head coaches at massively reduced salaries. There will be an inversion where good college coaches opt for position coach gigs in the nfl and the overall quality of coaching in college will be significantly reduced. The effects trickled all the way down. The only thing the system has going for it is dedicated fan support but as the quality diminishes and fan experiences diminish due to increased costs, and barring the highly unlikely chance that congress makes title ix exemptions, college football is going to turn into a mediocre farm league. Maybe so much so that eventually the NFL will finally feel compelled to create their own, but at that point college football will be decimated
 
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golfballs said:
I’ve been saying much of this since the Supreme Court ruling. However his solutions are absurd. Does he really thing congress is going to make an exemption to title ix for revenue sharing!? Lol! Not to get too political but the kind of people Thamel votes for are exactly the ones who are likely to be the most vehemently opposed to that idea. And casually mentioning that universities can cut head coach pay and eliminate some assistant AD positions is being willfully ignorant. The amount of cuts needed to offset paying every S Carolina football player $100,000+ per year will far exceed any assistant AD salary and good luck hiring head coaches at massively reduced salaries. There will be an inversion where good college coaches opt for position coach gigs in the nfl and the overall quality of coaching in college will be significantly reduced. The effects trickled all the way down. The only thing the system has going for it is dedicated fan support but as the quality diminishes and fan experiences diminish due to increased costs, and barring the highly unlikely chance that congress makes title ix exemptions, college football is going to turn into a mediocre farm league. Maybe so much so that eventually the NFL will finally feel compelled to create their own, but at that point college football will be decimated
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Extremely well said and I'm not sure a Title IX exemption for revenue sharing stands a court test.

It seems sketchy on the surface to say: we can't let them be equal because......we make too much money with them being unequal.

I don't see that standing up in court.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Extremely well said and I'm not sure a Title IX exemption for revenue sharing stands a court test.

It seems sketchy on the surface to say: we can't let them be equal because......we make too much money with them being unequal.

I don't see that standing up in court.
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Yeah I don’t think it could be just be some exemption, as it would run counter to the intent of the law. They’d basically have to gut it. Don’t see it happening
 
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golfballs said:
Yeah I don’t think it could be just be some exemption, as it would run counter to the intent of the law. They’d basically have to gut it. Don’t see it happening
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That's for the VN legal team to discuss but I'm just doubtful gutting it can stand up either.

Never say never when it comes to Congress and the Courts but I'm skeptical. It's a big mess the NCAA should've been working on instead of just fighting. It appears there's no Plan B.
 
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Thamel is right. The only way to “save” college football is by congress. Except with an anti-trust exemption. Which all of the major sports leagues have. But at this point that is definitely not happening
 
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The NFL has benefitted as much as universities have from this system. They’ve had a free developmental league. They of course don’t care if college players get paid but they will once qualify begins to suffer. I think the ideal scenario is to just to formally separate major college programs from the universities while retaining an affiliation and make them part of a true farm system where the nfl shares in the costs.
 
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There's no perfect solution, which is why the NCAA kept it as a total no for years. Once you open this box, it's hard to go back.

If I was doing it, I'd develop a farm league of 8 teams of 60 players each. Those 480 players would be 3 classes of 160 players, meaning 160 high school recruits are added each year. They are paid contracts for 3 years, and only three years. No NIL, no education, no nothing. They're professionals at that point. They will get coaching, evaluation, and play 3 years of 16 games, including playoffs. After those 3 years, they can declare for the NFL or they can move on, but 3 years, and that's it.

Meanwhile, the rest of the recruits that are left, get recruited by regular schools and go the regular college route, in which they stay for 3 years, and they get a stipend that is determined by leagues (Much like what Thamel is suggesting here).

NIL's just don't need to be given to individuals. They need to happen as teams, so that the wealth can be spread. And honestly, if I'm a businessman, I'd rather say "Here's a million dollars, let's split it 85 ways, and give $12,000 yearly to each Tennessee player in order to have them sign an occasional autograph, or an appearance for us," than to spend $1,000,000 on a Quinn Ewers who may transfer, or who may end up sucking. And of course, if multiple companies did that, then even if it was only a few thousand dollars, each player would end up making quite a nice paycheck, in addition to what they're already getting through their scholarship.

I don't know. I don't want college sports to be ruined, but I feel like its headed that way. When it becomes all about the money, it's just not going to be the same.
 
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golfballs said:
Thamel is right. The only way to “save” college football is by congress. Except with an anti-trust exemption. Which all of the major sports leagues have. But at this point that is definitely not happening
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I really do agree with much of what you have posted about on this, and most other, topics. My biggest fear is that as good as the NCAA is at corruption, Congress in is a league of it's own. For any of you F1 fans out there, you know from last week in Abu Dhabi what happens to your credibility when the rules are ignored/changed during a competition. I personally see congressional oversight as a death nail for integrity.
 
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@TNHopeful505
"NIL's just don't need to be given to individuals. They need to happen as teams, so that the wealth can be spread."

Two things:
1. Redistribution of wealth from those who can earn more to those who are smaller earners is not my favorite idea.
2. The moment teams spread the money around, the players are professionals. If the teams pay a stipend, they are professionals.

If they're professionals, they organize, unionize, and drive up their "stipend."

If you're going to tell Ewers he can't make too much money, why can't I tell you how much money you can make also?
 
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United States Congressman from Ohio 16 (I think) Anthony Gonzales (R) has been working on NIL in Congress since 2019. He was a wide receiver for Ohio State and the Indianapolis Colts. He has said the student athlete should be able to use NIL just like any other citizen but "NIL must never become a tool to buy players and it will unless it has guard rails. " Not sure where he got on his legislation. Maybe Thamel ought to contact Congrssman Gonzales...such a novel idea. Unfortunately Gonzales was one of nine Republicans to vote to impeach 45. Congressman Gonzales has announced he will not seek reelection
 
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