Pete Rose.... in or out ?

[Mose Phillip's Watch]

Let him in ? Or keep out of the HOF ?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

In.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

In

 

[Toujours Pret]

In. He'll have passed away before it ever happens though.

 

[Tin Man]

Out will cement his notoriety. His story will outlive the generations who saw him play. In, and he’s a footnote.

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

In yesterday.

 

[Tri-CitiesVol]

Would be awesome to see the voters have a write in campaign for him to put pressure on the commissioner.

 

[GreveHaller]

in. hard to find any player that gave 110% every game like Charlie Hustle

 

[Orangeslice13]

In

 

[Pacer92]

In

 

[GAVol]

Out. Just can’t screw around with the outcomes of games. He’d have been in a long time ago if he had a little humility and followed some guidelines.

...and then there’s the dirty secret. He was good for a long time but wasn’t really great. A 118 career adjusted OPS+ pretty much proves that. That’s tied for 430th all time. In other words, he was a good player who we shouldn’t be wasting time debating based on his actions.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Wait til the Northeast media creams all over themselves when David Ortiz comes up for induction even with the 2003 failed steroid test...

 

[salutethehill]

Out

 

[Firebirdparts]

In

 

[SGMVols]

In *

* I can neither confirm nor deny that this opinion is biased by the fact that I own a baseball signed by him

 

[TheColdVolTruth]

Shoeless Joe should be in before Rose gets any consideration.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Out. He knowingly broke the rules.

 

[JCHateSteve]

1/2 and 1/2, induct him. But build a outhouse behind the building to put his display in.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Out. Just can’t screw around with the outcomes of games. He’d have been in a long time ago if he had a little humility and followed some guidelines.

...and then there’s the dirt secret. He was good for a long time but wasn’t really great. A 118 career adjusted OPS+ pretty much proves that. That’s tied for 430th all time. In other words, he was a good player who we shouldn’t be wasting time debating based on his actions.

Pete Rose career WAR 79.1
Derek Jeter career WAR 71.8

Once they let the steroid users in (which they will with Ortiz), then Rose should be in.

 

[EricStratton]

In. Absolutely in.

 

[malinoisvol]

In

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Out will cement his notoriety. His story will outlive the generations who saw him play. In, and he’s a footnote.

Shoelace Joe while we're on the subject.

 

[Tin Man]

Shoelace Joe while we're on the subject.

Pete isn’t among the Black Sox.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Out. Just can’t screw around with the outcomes of games. He’d have been in a long time ago if he had a little humility and followed some guidelines.

...and then there’s the dirt secret. He was good for a long time but wasn’t really great. A 118 career adjusted OPS+ pretty much proves that. That’s tied for 430th all time. In other words, he was a good player who we shouldn’t be wasting time debating based on his actions.

You sound like this guy...

Looking at Ripken’s numbers though, maybe the O’s would have been better off sitting Ripken for stretches of time.

Ripken batted .276 for his career, as opposed to the league’s .264 mark, and reached base 34 percent of the time, only a small improvement from the league’s 33.2 percent. In other words, he reached base at about the same rate as the average ballplayer. In addition, he had no speed and holds the major league record for most times grounded into a double play (350).

And his numbers in themselves are deceiving. He hit over 400 home runs but only hit 30 once. He only batted .300 three times and never had an on-base percentage over .380. For his career, his OPS, a statistic that measures a player’s on-base percentage plus slugging percentage when adjusted to the league average and the ballpark, was just 12 percent better than the league average. In comparison, guys like Corey Koskie, Raul Mondesi, and Pat Burrell are ahead of Ripken on the all-time list.

If you take all the members of the 3000-hit club, Ripken has the lowest career batting average and on-base percentage. He and Eddie Murray are the only guys who hit 400 home runs without ever hitting 35 or more in a season, but Murray hit 30 or more in a season five times. Ripken did it once. Ripken collected 200 hits in a season just once. He scored 100 runs three times in his first four seasons, but then never again.

Simply put, Ripken wasn’t the hitter his numbers reflect. He padded his numbers by playing for years after he had stopped helping his team, but because he was such a charitable man who was such a positive role model for children, no one mentions it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Out. Just can’t screw around with the outcomes of games. He’d have been in a long time ago if he had a little humility and followed some guidelines.

...and then there’s the dirt secret. He was good for a long time but wasn’t really great. A 118 career adjusted OPS+ pretty much proves that. That’s tied for 430th all time. In other words, he was a good player who we shouldn’t be wasting time debating based on his actions.

Was it ever shown that he did that? Unless something has been revealed in the last 20 years or so, I last recall that his bets were in favor of the Reds.