Perine vs Barnett (merged)

[johnrlansford]

Yes. Put differently, what made TCU fall in the CFP standings wasn't how they played, but how they DIDN'T play...as in, they didn't play in the final weekend of the season when all the other conferences were playing their championship games.

That final opportunity to impress and move up is invaluable. Ask OSU.

The B12, TCU and Baylor specifically, lost out because they DIDN'T play that day.

Ohio State beat Nebraska 59-0 on Dec 6th
TCU beat Iowa State 55-3 on Dec 6th
Baylor also beat Kansas State 38-27 on Dec 6th

So it wasn't how they DIDN'T Play, because they did play..the difference was that it wasn't for a conference championship and it was Iowa State not a team with a pulse.

So all 3 teams played on the same day and Ohio States win was just more impressive to the Committee. You have proven my point thanks....Check your stats next time or I will. Don't come here with your so called Knowledge because it is false.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Oooh, JohnR, you are testy today!

 

[butchna]

Oooh, JohnR, you are testy today!

Wanna get him started? Tell him Sheriron Jones is transferring.

 

[KBVol]

Wanna get him started? Tell him Sheriron Jones is transferring.

Haha!!!

 

[johnrlansford]

Wanna get him started? Tell him Sheriron Jones is transferring.

Lol the QB conversation is over until next offseason when QD transfers....Sorry i had too...Just kidding guys

 

[johnrlansford]

Oooh, JohnR, you are testy today!

Wow easy to say when all of your points were proven wrong I guess...

Not testy just feeling like being right today and not spouting unsupported facts that don't prove my point.

When I make a point that isn't JMO I like to know what I am talking about first instead of just running off at the mouth.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Wow easy to say when all of your points were proven wrong I guess...

Not testy just feeling like being right today and not spouting unsupported facts that don't prove my point.

When I make a point that isn't JMO I like to know what I am talking about first instead of just running off at the mouth.

Yep, definitely testy.

 

[johnrlansford]

Yep, definitely testy.

Call it what you will...you were still wrong.

I love how people on here get proven to be running off at the mouth about things that they have no idea about and then turn it back on the person who was right, because they can't handle being wrong.

How hard is it to just talk about things that you actually know about (or atleast look up the facts first) rather than making up facts that are just simply lack of knowledge on the subject.

If you're just stating your opinion that is different but don't falsify facts its just not responsible....but wait this is Volnation, I forgot.

 

[johnrlansford]

Silence...

 

[thebjd]

Ohio State beat Nebraska 59-0 on Dec 6th
TCU beat Iowa State 55-3 on Dec 6th
Baylor also beat Kansas State 38-27 on Dec 6th

So it wasn't how they DIDN'T Play, because they did play..the difference was that it wasn't for a conference championship and it was Iowa State not a team with a pulse.

So all 3 teams played on the same day and Ohio States win was just more impressive to the Committee. You have proven my point thanks....Check your stats next time or I will. Don't come here with your so called Knowledge because it is false.

Agree to disagree. TCU dropped too much due to program prestige. I am glad it played out like it did because if it had been prior to the playoff Bama would have rolled FSU and been named champs.

 

[BudBarry]

Both are very good backs, Hurd and Perine. If we look at ht/wt per sq inch for both, Hurd comes in at 3.1 and Perine at 3.4. I would rather try and tackle Hurd (6'3") than Perine (5'11"). My best bet for opposing players of either team would be not to try and tackle either one, but that would take the fun out of the game I suppose.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Silence...

Every time I come back to this thread, John R. Lansford, you are standing here with your fists up.

I am sorry to disappoint, but I'm not gonna e-fight you.

I come to VolNation for a few different reasons:

* To get updates on the program
* To share ideas and thoughts and analysis with fellow Vol fans
* To enjoy time around folks who love the Vols as much as I do
* Even to get to know and interact with fans of other teams who visit these boards

One thing I do not come here to do is vent anger. I'm sorry that you feel that need.

On the other hand, I'm happy that you seem so excited to have found me making a mistake. I do that, frequently. I'm human, so it's a big part of what I do, heh. Your excitement and insistence makes it seem like a big deal, but it's really not. I do it all the time (you do too, btw, fellow human).

But I'm secure enough that I don't get flustered or embarrassed by mistakes, when they come. And I'm certainly not going to get in an e-fight with you over it.

So...congratulations, you found me out, you have unearthed my utter and complete...human-ness.

I'm glad you've gotten so much excitement out of it. :clapping:

Go Vols!

 

[johnrlansford]

Every time I come back to this thread, John R. Lansford, you are standing here with your fists up.

I am sorry to disappoint, but I'm not gonna e-fight you.

I come to VolNation for a few different reasons:

* To get updates on the program
* To share ideas and thoughts and analysis with fellow Vol fans
* To enjoy time around folks who love the Vols as much as I do
* Even to get to know and interact with fans of other teams who visit these boards

One thing I do not come here to do is vent anger. I'm sorry that you feel that need.

On the other hand, I'm happy that you seem so excited to have found me making a mistake. I do that, frequently. I'm human, so it's a big part of what I do, heh. Your excitement and insistence makes it seem like a big deal, but it's really not. I do it all the time (you do too, btw, fellow human).

But I'm secure enough that I don't get flustered or embarrassed by mistakes, when they come. And I'm certainly not going to get in an e-fight with you over it.

So...congratulations, you found me out, you have unearthed my utter and complete...human-ness.

I'm glad you've gotten so much excitement out of it. :clapping:

Go Vols!

Wow JP, getting Testy!!

Wow you are human I wasn't sure. We all make mistakes yes but you were spouting off at the mouth and critcizing my point with an invalid point, that is all I was saying and you get defensive. You just wanted to make a point that you are the "good guy" in the situation and for the record no one is trying to e-fight (whatever that is...).

I also come to meet other fans and get updates but don't get defensive when we are having a difference of opinions on a subject and you are proven wrong because of false information.

I am sorry to come accross that way but I am tired of people trying to justify there false information by making the other person look like the bad guy.

You made a Bold Statement even used CAPS LOCK TO EMPHASIS IT(about TCU and Baylor not playing the final week of the season when Ohio State did), then got all "Testy and Defensive" when I called you on it? Wow way to man up. No one wants to fight they just don't want to be treated like and idiot with your false information. How hard is it to talk about things that you actually know about?

Facts are Facts and Opinions are Opinions don't get them confused, Facts have Data that prove them and not just your interpretation of the arguement. So don't get "Testy or Defensive" when its turned back on you my fellow Vol fan.

Go Vols and Good Day.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Yes. Put differently, what made TCU fall in the CFP standings wasn't how they played, but how they DIDN'T play...as in, they didn't play in the final weekend of the season when all the other conferences were playing their championship games.



That final opportunity to impress and move up is invaluable. Ask OSU.



The B12, TCU and Baylor specifically, lost out because they DIDN'T play that day.

I completely agree with you on that assessment, and that's the biggest problem with the big 12 is the fact that they don't have a conference championship game thus giving the conference champion a quality victory in that final weekend or rather a 13th quality opponent. Now with the regulation they should be able to form their own conference championship game or do something because they are never probably ever going to get an over another p5 conference champ because they will almost always have one more win than the big 12 champs. But I argue this with bands in my conference of other teams, and they in no way want to move towards a conference championship game, I think the current format is great in that one year was not enough time. But in my opinion we're inherently at a disadvantage right now and that kind of sucks unless that unless you go undefeated you have to hope that one of the other conference champions has two losses

 

[Midnight Toker]

Dont disagree i think TCU is a good team what made them fall was not how they played but that Ohio State shut Nebraska down and pretty much embarrassed them in the Big 10 Championship game.

Indeed I do agree with that the big 12 needs a conference championship game because the round robin clearly is not enough for the committee to put their champion in unless pretty much theyre undefeated. But, TCU was the real deal, and they proved that by destroying OLe miss. Really though this would've been a good year for six teams as far as the quality of teams go. And of course eventually it'll just get to eight because it'll be more interesting and really your crown the real champion at that point

 

[johnrlansford]

Indeed I do agree with that the big 12 needs a conference championship game because the round robin clearly is not enough for the committee to put their champion in unless pretty much theyre undefeated. But, TCU was the real deal, and they proved that by destroying OLe miss. Really though this would've been a good year for six teams as far as the quality of teams go. And of course eventually it'll just get to eight because it'll be more interesting and really your crown the real champion at that point

Couldn't agree with you more about going to 8 teams it makes it the best situation, you could get the top 8 teams and more than likely it would include the conference champions from the power 5 conferences if they deserved to be there. Big 12 doesn't have a championship game because I am pretty sure they don't have enough teams per the NCAA for have a championship game. I pretty sure it is 12 teams and the have 10 right? but I may be wrong about that.

 

[Swan Ronson]

I just want to see Barnett get up and go nuts a la Big Al.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Couldn't agree with you more about going to 8 teams it makes it the best situation, you could get the top 8 teams and more than likely it would include the conference champions from the power 5 conferences if they deserved to be there. Big 12 doesn't have a championship game because I am pretty sure they don't have enough teams per the NCAA for have a championship game. I pretty sure it is 12 teams and the have 10 right? but I may be wrong about that.

You need 12 right now, but after this season is over deregulation will hit and basically what that means is every conference can decide for themselves how they want to crown their champion, and that includes making up divisions and deciding who plays in a conference championship game or no conference championship game at all. And it does not require that you have 12 teams, so you can do it with 10 or eight or 18. I heard some interesting thing that the ACC is considering where they would have basically like a super conference, combining with the American maybe, and adding a couple other teams and then basically having three divisions and playing a conference championship between the top two

 

[johnrlansford]

You need 12 right now, but after this season is over deregulation will hit and basically what that means is every conference can decide for themselves how they want to crown their champion, and that includes making up divisions and deciding who plays in a conference championship game or no conference championship game at all. And it does not require that you have 12 teams, so you can do it with 10 or eight or 18. I heard some interesting thing that the ACC is considering where they would have basically like a super conference, combining with the American maybe, and adding a couple other teams and then basically having three divisions and playing a conference championship between the top two

The ACC can get 50 teams in it and they will still never be a super conference....2-3 team league. That will be good for the Big 12 though so they can actually crown a champion and not have to split it again.TCU did get a short stick this year but i wish they could have just expanded it to 8 at the start and people would have been happy, unless of course you were the 9 or 10 team in the polls.

 

[Midnight Toker]

The ACC can get 50 teams in it and they will still never be a super conference....2-3 team league. That will be good for the Big 12 though so they can actually crown a champion and not have to split it again.TCU did get a short stick this year but i wish they could have just expanded it to 8 at the start and people would have been happy, unless of course you were the 9 or 10 team in the polls.

Well they actually learned their lesson after yet another tie and will finally give the head to head winner the nod as conference champ instead of presenting two teams as co-champs. Even though OU benefited as co-champs in 2012, I feel it's really a farce considering they lost to the other co-champ with the same record.

I think 8 is the best spot. In any given year you will have at least 2-3 teams who can with real legitimacy say that they deserve to play for all the marbles. To me, that's pretty well most P5 teams with 0 or 1 loss. Some years the best teams have 2 losses, and some years we have four or five teams who have 1 loss. To me, you will never have more than 8 teams who can with a straight face say they are as good as and should be good enough to be crowned champion. This is because typically at 6,7,8th place in the polls you will normally see a 2+ loss team. Though last year we had seven teams with 1 or less losses, which is crazy and a 8 team playoff would have absolutely settled it.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Speaking of Perine, that freak of nature is still in the midst of his first offseason strength program and, well, lets just say he's doing it right. Last year vs this year. That body is ready for the nfl and he's just 19.

Better hope you see more of this

Instead of this

 

[butchna]

Speaking of Perine, that freak of nature is still in the midst of his first offseason strength program and, well, lets just say he's doing it right. Last year vs this year. That body is ready for the nfl and he's just 19.

Better hope you see more of this

Instead of this

We have this poster...UTNate? hmy:

 

[KBVol]

We have this poster...UTNate? hmy:

Kinda gotta "Brokeback", even dare I say, a "Michael Sam" feel to it, eh Butch?

 

[butchna]

Kinda gotta "Brokeback", even dare I say, a "Michael Sam" feel to it, eh Butch?

Practically screamed "I wish I could quit you"

 

[KBVol]

Speaking of Perine, that freak of nature is still in the midst of his first offseason strength program and, well, lets just say he's doing it right. Last year vs this year. That body is ready for the nfl and he's just 19.

Better hope you see more of this

Instead of this

Yeah, given that Barnett was playing his third career collegiate game as a true freshman last year at OU, and wound up performing quite well (10 sacks, 21.5 TFLs, 72 TFLs) vs some of the top OTs in the country before the season was done, we all feel quite comfortable with the idea that we'll see much more of the former rather than the latter.