Perine vs Barnett (merged)

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dd992emo said:
I love this board! You guys make Bammers look relatively objective. Two questions, though: 1) What flavor is the Kool-Aid? and 2) Does it ever get contaminated with backwash from the UT Cheerleaders' spit cups? :)
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You quote THAT as an Orange Kool-Aid testimony? :blink: Three running backs from three different SEC teams were given accolades...NONE of them were Vols. :)
 
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butchna said:
You quote THAT as an Orange Kool-Aid testimony? :blink: Three running backs from three different SEC teams were given accolades...NONE of them were Vols. :)
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Actually, it was an SEC reference, but often my 1950s/60s Oklahoma Public School education fails me and I am unclear. If you think my writing is poor you should see me try to do math...
 
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dd992emo said:
I love this board! You guys make Bammers look relatively objective. Two questions, though: 1) What flavor is the Kool-Aid? and 2) Does it ever get contaminated with backwash from the UT Cheerleaders' spit cups? :)
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I'm still waiting to see what argument is more powerful than "here are their relative stats against teams who were successful at stopping the run". All you've brought to the table is insults and incredulous disagreement.
 
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turambar85 said:
I'm still waiting to see what argument is more powerful than "here are their relative stats against teams who were successful at stopping the run". All you've brought to the table is insults and incredulous disagreement.
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Well, I hate to keep anybody waiting, but I thought I was pretty clear about comparing stats. And as Padraig Harrington (I think) once said, "You can only beat who shows up."
 
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dd992emo said:
Well, I hate to keep anybody waiting, but I thought I was pretty clear about comparing stats. And as Padraig Harrington (I think) once said, "You can only beat who shows up."
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You were clear in making fun of me for using stats in an argument. But you weren't clear in offering any actual method for comparing players. So, when you want to say that Perine is as good as Chubb, you are basing it on what? Your hopes and dreams? How pretty you think they are? Or how OU is your favorite team?

Performance against P5 teams do matter. Nobody disagrees with that. The question is how much do they matter, and how can we identity the stats that are the most telling.

I, personally, think that breaking down their stats against performance against good/bad teams is *MUCH* better than simply pointing at their rushing yards and grinning.
 
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dd992emo said:
Actually, it was an SEC reference, but often my 1950s/60s Oklahoma Public School education fails me and I am unclear. If you think my writing is poor you should see me try to do math...
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Well if you use the equivalent of "Tennessee cheerleader" in a "SEC reference", with an integer or quotient? I'll skip the intellectual bloodbath. :)
 
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I didn't offer any method for comparing players because I think it is a silly exercise. Which is why I said "Chubb and Perine may be the same or one may be better than the other on any given day."

As for the insults, if that's the worst insult you find on this board you're a lucky person. But, you're right, while it was hilarious during the typing it didn't travel well. Deleted...
 
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You can't compare Perine to anybody in the SEC because he didn't have a QB. Henry had Simms (quite good), Hurd had Dobbs (Do I need to say more?), Chubb had Mason (Not bad), and Arkansas. Well, give Arkansas backs credit because they had no good QB. You see Perine had Pk6 and an unprepared redshirt freshman. Perine was thier offense. It's why a) he had a lot of yards, but b) had terrible YPC. Also to make matters worst, their best reciever was also injured. Teams loaded the box. They put their corners in man, and said you can't beat us running. It's why they almost lost to Tech. It's why they lost to OSU (besides a repunt, also when he got injured in that game they lost 17 yards in 3 plays.)
The reason they lost to TCU, Baylor, and K-State was a pick 6 by TK9 also known as PK6. Baylor may be questionable, but they had all the momentum being up by 14 (I was at the game) and then he threw a pick 6. I mean everyone was crushed. You could feel it. Then their opening drive in the 3rd quarter sealed it. (3 and out then a roughing the punter. They proceed to get 3-4 yards a play and OU's cb play 10 yards off on 4 and 3.)
 
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From my perspective stats and opponents are only a portion of the comparisons. All I know is that OU has frequently been referred to as "running back" U. Obviously that's an arbitrary opinion but all I can say is that two of the very best RB's in the NFL are Sooners. I have seen Peterson, Murray,& Perine in person and While each has his own distinct style,Perine is a major talent and a hell of a RB. Those of us old enough to make the comparison as life long Sooners would compare him to Earl Campbell or John Riggins.
 
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For true comparison Perine and Chubb faced two common opponents (UT and Clemson). Perine had almost exactly twice as many yards than Chubb, although he did have almost twice as many carries. Haha. So really close!

Just for the record, I know Kansas has been brought up a lot w Perine. Kansas had 4 other backs run for over 100 yards against them w a high of 181, 2 were barely above 100. Perine had well over 400. Yes, they are Kansas but not everyone is getting 400 on them. 1 or 2 got over 150.
 
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Dpattr said:
For true comparison Perine and Chubb faced two common opponents (UT and Clemson). Perine had almost exactly twice as many yards than Chubb, although he did have almost twice as many carries. Haha. So really close!

Just for the record, I know Kansas has been brought up a lot w Perine. Kansas had 4 other backs run for over 100 yards against them w a high of 181, 2 were barely above 100. Perine had well over 400. Yes, they are Kansas but not everyone is getting 400 on them. 1 or 2 got over 150.
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Faulty science when you consider that Gurley was the starter for Georgia against both...I guess if we're talking backup RB cred? :hmm:
 
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butchna said:
Faulty science when you consider that Gurley was the starter for Georgia against both...I guess if we're talking backup RB cred? :hmm:
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I said Chubb had half as many carries. Plus Perine did not start against Tennessee. Perine also did not start against KU in which he broke the ncaa record. so I guess it is back up vs back up rb cred.
 
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Perine is tough to bring down, but he's not extremely dynamic. We will see how he looks if his Oline takes a hit this year...
 
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alexbond45 said:
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I have so much respect for Mr. White as a player and a man that just brought back good memories
 
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Dpattr said:
I said Chubb had half as many carries. Plus Perine did not start against Tennessee. Perine also did not start against KU in which he broke the ncaa record. so I guess it is back up vs back up rb cred.
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How about Clemson?...Remember?...Half your original point? :)
 
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butchna said:
How about Clemson?...Remember?...Half your original point? :)
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My original point was the Perine had over 200 yards vs those two, while Chubb had about 100 (with half as many carries. Perine did start vs Clemson (had 120+) but I made the point that Chubb didn't have as many carries in my original point.

both great players is my final point. Haha.
 
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dd992emo said:
Your "intellectual bloodbath" post sounded just like Mrs Elizabeth Bandy, my Sr English teacher. She would be about 109 years old right about now. And probably is...
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Oh her! Thought you were talking about Jessica! The chick Morgan Freeman was schtupping in that movie. :idea:
 
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OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
I think Perine would be the #5 or 6 RB in the SEC. His stats are high but look at the defenses he faced last season. I'm not saying he is not good, he is. But Hurd/Chubb/Fournette/Henry/maybe even Kamara and Sony Michel are better, IMO. I think it will be great for our new MLB along with KMAC and Tuttle to have Perine as a challenge early in the season.

I think Barnett probably doesn't care who the opposing RB is. Doesn't matter who is back there, he'll get them if they come his way.
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I looked at film on those other guys who are in fact, very good backs. I cant fault someone for splitting hairs and choosing one of them over Perine. But that's just all it'll be; splitting hairs. But he's right up there, he's all american type back, dont doubt that. His backup isnt too shabby either. So I looked and he didnt struggle to average 7.4 yards per carry against Tennessee last year. He always got positive yardage and wasnt stopped behind the line of scrimmage. If you were interested I could show you video of what I think makes him stand out is not only is he quick shifty enough to outrun a db, but he rarely goes down on first contact, he has a way of eluding tackles from a 210 db as well as a 270 lb lineman. I guess this is why it'll be fun to watch him vs Barnett. Something's got to give. One thing I would like to point out about his 1700 yard season is that he didnt even start until the 4th game. He could have had 2000 yards if he was where he should have been at the beginning of the season. Also, had a good game against the #1 D in the country with 8 stacked in the box, I guess that means something too. Cant wait to watch this game! Mixon will be there too!
 
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johnrlansford said:
Henry and Chubbs are both better they probably could have ran for 600 yd/game against the same team, Perine did it against Kansas for pete's sake....he only got that many carries because the other backs were out with injury. He will not be better that Chubbs or Henry. Chubbs will go higher than Gurley (because he won't have the off the field issues that Gurley had) Perine will be mediocre at best in the pros.

And Yes we will be in deep trouble if Perine has a big game against us, we play atleast 3 backs that are better than him from UGA, Alabama, and Arkansas.
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He didnt struggle against you last year, and now he's got some seasoning to him. I wager to say the OU run game will be successful against Tennessee; they will be tough, but they wont struggle to get yards. If you think those other guys are better, okay, that's cool. If you think those guys would have gotten 600 yards on Kansas, then you'd think they could definitely get a good 300-400 on lowly FAU, middle Tennessee, georgia southern, and the like. Cant wait to see Perine's record be broken by all the sec power.

You know, it's too bad you arent having this conversation Hurd vs Perine instead of your competitor's rb instead.
 
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Midnight Toker said:
He didnt struggle against you last year, and now he's got some seasoning to him. I wager to say the OU run game will be successful against Tennessee; they will be tough, but they wont struggle to get yards. If you think those other guys are better, okay, that's cool. If you think those guys would have gotten 600 yards on Kansas, then you'd think they could definitely get a good 300-400 on lowly FAU, middle Tennessee, georgia southern, and the like. Cant wait to see Perine's record be broken by all the sec power.

You know, it's too bad you arent having this conversation Hurd vs Perine instead of your competitor's rb instead.
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You'd be surprised at the number of Vol fans that favor Fournette/Chubb on here. :)
 
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