Perception of talent on ol for 09'

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BeecherVol

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What does our depth look like. Does anybody stand out that maybe did not play much this year?
 
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After studying our offensive line and looking at who is applying for the draft next year and most likely coming back here is what I think our offensive line will most likely look like next season.

RT -- Ramone Johnson *So
RG -- Jacques McClendon *Jr
C -- Josh McNeil *Jr
backup -- Cody Sullins *Jr (possible starter next year if McNeil does decide to go pro)
LG -- Vladimir Richard *Jr
LT -- Chris Scott *Jr
 
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A poorly trained chimpanzee would be able to have a decent amount of success with both who played this past year and whoever will be playing next year.

So yes, I'm saying Adkins is a worse line coach than a poorly trained chimpanzee.
 
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I agree. Adkins has done a poor job coaching the OL. He better pull in some top recruits. Or, he won't be around next year to have a chance to prove something to Coach Kiff.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I agree. Adkins has done a poor job coaching the OL. He better pull in some top recruits. Or, he won't be around next year to have a chance to prove something to Coach Kiff.
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A mad scientist could resurrect Jim Parker in his prime and send him to Adkins. We would then watch probably the greatest lineman in history grabbing DLs under the armpits and be completely unable to move anyone off the line.
 
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Vlad The Impaler is a freaking beast. He might be the scariest guy in the world.

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What do you have against Cody Sullins? Who are you going to start at the center position? There is no other option unless you try Cody Pope who doesn't have much if any experience at all at that position. Only other option is if we were to get a highly recruited Center in this coming season, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.... but my main question is why do you dislike Cody Sullins so much?
 
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Tennessee will have enough talent to win 8 games next year, im just glad we now have actual coaches who can improve players abilities.
 
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volsgrad89 said:
I agree. Adkins has done a poor job coaching the OL. He better pull in some top recruits. Or, he won't be around next year to have a chance to prove something to Coach Kiff.
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Yes I agree.

Now to the important stuff - volsgrad89 - WHO is your avatar?
 
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When was the last time we felt good about our talent level on the O line, and the scheme we used. 2001?
 
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Every year I've felt good about the talent. I'd have to go back to 2003 or earlier to remember the last time that I felt good about the coaching they receive.
 
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The last time I like the o-line performance was when Dough Marrone was o-line coach and before that Berry. The two hires after that have been horrible...Stephens, Adkins. They're both rejects from Florida and Georgia respectively.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
A poorly trained chimpanzee would be able to have a decent amount of success with both who played this past year and whoever will be playing next year.

So yes, I'm saying Adkins is a worse line coach than a poorly trained chimpanzee.
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Ohio, in your opinion has Adkins done an abysmal job because....He's not looked at his linemen...He's choosing to make his linemen fit in his scheme irregardless of whether they're capable of executing it. As opposed to designing blocking a scheme that promotes the strengths of his linemen.

Or is it simply he's a bad position coach because he can't judge talent, position efficientcy, read defenses, glean from defensive film, or even a tough conditioner?
 
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dan4vols said:
Ohio, in your opinion has Adkins done an abysmal job because....He's not looked at his linemen...He's choosing to make his linemen fit in his scheme irregardless of whether they're capable of executing it. As opposed to designing blocking a scheme that promotes the strengths of his linemen.

Or is it simply he's a bad position coach because he can't judge talent, position efficientcy, read defenses, glean from defensive film, or even a tough conditioner?
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Coaching offensive line is both the easiest and most difficult position. It's the easiest because there's a lot that simply doesn't need to be focused on and the hardest because it requires an almost neurotic attention to detail. For me, I've always been the type to wear out defensive film in an attempt to see what is going on in the minds of the defensive linemen (usually, it's a dead hamster on a wheel). I have no real interest in watching the overall play of the defense or establishing tendencies unless I'm surrounded by idiots who run the offense. But for the most part, "missing the forest for the trees" is a big part of what goes into good line coaching.

As for "his scheme", there's only one scheme that matters: the offensive coordinator's. Usually it should go like this.
OL COACH: Will we be doing man or zone blocking?
OC: (whatever the answer may be)
OL COACH: Okay, thanks.

Obviously that's oversimplifying it, but not to a great extent. 95% of offensive coordinators aren't going to say, "Here is the play, now you determine the blocking scheme." And if they do, Adkins is hardly the type that I would want doing any sort of planning. That said, an OL coach is well within his rights to say, "On xx play, I think we can make xx adjustment this week because of....". But for that, he had damn well better have an awful lot of practical knowledge to back that up.

To your last query, in order....
1) I don't know if he can judge talent
2) I don't know if he can position effectively or efficiently
3) I don't know if he can read defenses, but for the most part that's not his job
4) I don't know if he can glean from defensive film
5) I don't know anything about his conditioning practices, but from the overall whole of what I've seen of him, I can imagine him being the type who would make his guys go out there and do what they did in the 1940s because "that's how it's always been done".

Line play is built on two things: get there quickly and in a bad mood. I tell my guys from day one....I can live with you blocking the wrong guy. But if you block the wrong guy, he'd better not be in a position to make a play after you hit him and you'd better be looking for the next guy to hit.

My beef with Adkins is that his guys play like garbage. They don't fire off quickly, and if they do it's negated anyway by grabbing the DL under the armpits and trying to steer him away from where the RB is going. If you want to see how much sense that makes, kneel in front of your TV and put one hand on each side. Now push backwards. Illogical, isn't it? Now put both hands in the middle of the screen and push backwards. That's the Adkins difference.
 
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Nice post Ohio...thanks!!!

I enjoyed your football 101 series, I'd love to see a deeper dive into some of the position specifics such as o-line techniques, defensive line 'gap' strategies, etc.
 
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Given Kiffin's rep for detail, I'd be surprised if after reviewing the practice and game tapes of the o-line if he keeps Adkins.
 
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Thanks Ohio. It's painfully obvious Adkins is either a lazy coach or a incompetant coach. What I meant by read defenses, was actually read the front 7 during games and make adjustments to get the upper hand on creating running lanes. I'm so shocked Adkins isn't puttin boxes in a Uhaul.
 
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