Pennington's Response

#127
#127
orangeblooded_2 said:
You wanna explain to me where I am defending Fulmer in this? Im questioning the integrity of a newspaper...if its a true story then Ill back down. Hell if the content of the story were what upset me, then I would stay upset with some of the posters on here.

I just dont like message board fodder being shoved in my face as NEWS.
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Then don't read the SPORTS section of the paper or SI or ESPN mag etc.
 
#130
#130
It doesn't matter "who" the sources were, it only matters if the "thoughts & observations" were true or valid. I think it's painfully obvious some if not all points made in the article are dead-on!

No, I'm not a CPF hater, I simply want the FB program to be all it can be!
 
#131
#131
The only gripe I have with the Pennington "story" is that while he also found "sources" which disagreed with the opinions he presented, he cut those from the piece... trying to create this as factual statements, when they are actually all opinions.
 
#132
#132
JZVOL said:
WOW! Go turn on ESPN and listen to how many times John Clayton, Sal Palentonio, Chris Mortenson and all the guys use "sources". It's the same for the magazines too.
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Good point. Chris Mortenson's entire career is based on almost exactly what Pennington did.
 
#135
#135
rwemyss said:
The only gripe I have with the Pennington "story" is that while he also found "sources" which disagreed with the opinions he presented, he cut those from the piece... trying to create this as factual statements, when they are actually all opinions.
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It sounded like he also cut-out some "negative" observations when he could not get corroboration from people who he knows have been back to visit the program/facilities. Assuming that Coach Long is correct in stating that the only guys who have come back are the NFL players, then I would assume that some of Pennington's corroborating sources are current/former NFL guys.
 
#136
#136
JZVOL said:
WOW! Go turn on ESPN and listen to how many times John Clayton, Sal Palentonio, Chris Mortenson and all the guys use "sources". It's the same for the magazines too.
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I agree. But what are they reporting from their sources? "A source with the Dolphins told me that DE Jason Taylor will not start today..."

"A source from inside the team says that the Giants are looking to trade Gabril WIlson to the..."

oh...these are examples of how they use their sources. There is something to actually report.

What exactly was the JP report about again?
 
#140
#140
orangeblooded_2 said:
I agree. But what are they reporting from their sources? "A source with the Dolphins told me that DE Jason Taylor will not start today..."

"A source from inside the team says that the Giants are looking to trade Gabril WIlson to the..."

oh...these are examples of how they use their sources. There is something to actually report.

What exactly was the JP report about again?
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They also do this about coaches who might get fired etc. Why aren't you screaming about them revealing their sources even if the story ends up not being true?

Again the story was what JP heard from former players. Not if they were right or wrong, but simply concerns those players had. That's it, that's the story.

I'll ask you again what if JP did this story with fans instead of players? Would you still be questioning the story so much.
 
#141
#141
It's definitely crap journalism, but with that being said . . . I don't think there was any point to CPF getting all that upset about it. By now he should be used to the National Enquirer wannabes that masquerade as sportswriters.
 
#142
#142
JZVOL said:
They also do this about coaches who might gat fired etc. Why aren't you screaming about them revealing their sources even if the story ends up not being true?

Again the story was what JP heard from former players. Not if they were right or wrong, but simply concerns those players had. That's it, that's the story.

I'll ask you again what if JP did this story with fans instead of players? Would you still be questioning the story so much.
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Not in the least. Heck Id even give them my name, as well as a alot of others on here.

But then, we arent "close to the program"..or at least some of us arent. I dont stand to lose rubbing elbows with people inside the program if I criticize what someone is doing.

What I do criticize is a piece being published in a newspaper, citing nothing but unnamed sources. If that didnt warrant a challenge, I really dont know what should.
 
#143
#143
GAVol said:
It's definitely crap journalism, but with that being said . . . I don't think there was any point to CPF getting all that upset about it. By now he should be used to the National Enquirer wannabes that masquerade as sportswriters.
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Well, if the story is true GA, then someone he lets hang out around the program is under cutting his authority. Talk about cancer on a team.
 
#144
#144
orangeblooded_2 said:
Not in the least. Heck Id even give them my name, as well as a alot of others on here.

But then, we arent "close to the program"..or at least some of us arent. I dont stand to lose rubbing elbows with people inside the program if I criticize what someone is doing.

What I do criticize is a piece being published in a newspaper, citing nothing but unnamed sources. If that didnt warrant a challenge, I really dont know what should.
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This isn't a hard hitting expose piece. It's sports, this kind of stuff is in every sports section of papers throughout the U.S. everyday. It's one of the many reasons sports journalists are looked down upon by their peers (journalists who cover real news) and not considered real journalists.
 
#145
#145
orangeblooded_2 said:
Well, if the story is true GA, then someone he lets hang out around the program is under cutting his authority. Talk about cancer on a team.
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So have a closed door meeting and be done with it. What's the point of drawing attention to it in front of an audience of the very people who do this kind of stuff?
 
#146
#146
You mean like real news about who gets the kids K-Fed or Britney. Or Al Gore up for Nobel Peace Prize? That kind of real news by real journalists?
 
#147
#147
entertainment reporters have the same bad rap. I think he means those that cover Iraq, the White House, drugs, police blotter, etc
 
#148
#148
orangeblooded_2 said:
Who else is there to question? Penningtons was the only name mentioned in his article! Is it a valid story (someone like Al Wilson, Charlie Garner, Manning being the anonyVols)? Someone who I would highly trust and whose opinion mattered to me? Or are they the opinions of the James Banks, Lynn McGruder or Charlie Dinkledorf (played as a walkon during the 2000-2003 seasons and never got a shot at a scholarship)?

NO ONE is being held accountable for the statements made. Since JP isnt giving up his sources and the KNS stands by JP, then JP and the KNS need to be challenged.

(btw Dinkledorf isnt a real person as far as I know, just a name made up to make a point)
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I notice you don't attack what was said, only the anonymous people who said it.

If you discredit them you think you discredit the article, even though everything in the article is consistent with what has been said about the program since 05.

Then claim your not trying to defend Fulmer by doing that.
 
#150
#150
volfanbill said:
entertainment reporters have the same bad rap. I think he means those that cover Iraq, the White House, drugs, police blotter, etc
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:eek:k: Yes, I was in journalism at UT for a year and everytime I told a teacher I was wanting to do sports journalism they would always say stuff like that wasn't real journalism etc.
 
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