Pennington's Response

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Pennington:
Anonymous sources have been used in the media for years. That’s how stories are broken and that’s how inside opinion becomes public. From 60 Minutes, with the blacked out face and digitized audio, to The Wall Street Journal to ESPN to talk radio, there’s nothing new about using unnamed sources
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The blacked out faces on 60 minutes are real. There is no mistaking there is an actual human being there. I didnt see a real human being uttering the words that he reported they uttered.

Anonymous sources usually point to further evidence. IE "Look at the bank records from 2006"...and it is their tips that lead to the evidence. All Pennington did was allegedly quote sources with opinions. It doesn't lead to anything (unless you want to count on it pissing off a football team).

Pennington is a coward. And IF anybody actually did say those things to him, they are cowards too for not going on the record.
 
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Anonymous sources ARE used all the time. I am sure that you wouldn't so quickly discredit them if it was former Auburn players speaking on Auburns current program.
 
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Perhaps there is a reason that the time expended to weight lifting, tackling, practice in general is more limited now. Graduation rates are becoming more of an issue. There is an article today on Yahoo sports about BC and their impressive graduation rate. Maybe the schools are feeling the pressure and are having to spend more time ensuring academics than weight lifting? Just a guess.
 
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awebb7 said:
Anonymous sources ARE used all the time. I am sure that you wouldn't so quickly discredit them if it was former Auburn players speaking on Auburns current program.
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Why the heck would I be concerned with someone blasting AUs program?

From a journalistic POV, its a hack piece. One mans opinion. I can see a person arriving at a conclusion based on his/her perception of the facts. I can always research the facts and determine them myself.

There are no FACTS in Pennington's piece...at least FACTS that I can investigate myself and draw my own conclusions.

"Fulmer sucks" said Peyton Manning- That carries a lot more weight than

"Fulmer Sucks" said an unnamed source close to the program.
 
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I wish he would print the names and it would be people like Peyton Manning, Al Wilson, Peerless Price, etc. Then Fulmer would keep quiet.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
Thats assuming the piece is even true at all.
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Based on Pennington's response, what is the true liklihood of his sources being fabricated? Before you answer, please consider that the KNS has been blowing smoke of CPF's hiney for a long, long time now.
 
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oklavol said:
I wish he would print the names and it would be people like Peyton Manning, Al Wilson, Peerless Price, etc. Then Fulmer would keep quiet.
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I highly doubt that anyone referenced in the article is playing in the NFL (Al would still have the guts to take it to CPF or JC). TBH they have more important things to worry about.
 
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Lexvol said:
Based on Pennington's response, what is the true liklihood of his sources being fabricated? Before you answer, please consider that the KNS has been blowing smoke of CPF's hiney for a long, long time now.
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I dont know what the KNS has been writing about...I hardly ever read it. What I do know is a column full of unnamed sources, that really lead to nothing, is hack journalism.
 
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Keeping the sources as anonymous has been used in journalism for about as long as journalists have been around and it's been questioned since journalists have been around. The mass public accepts Game Of Shadows, yet it is anonymous sources.

The one thing Pennington nailed was the fact that it doesn't matter when the story ran. It's not his job to worry about timing and helping or hurting someone. I see no reason the article can't be truth. While not a huge KS fan, I've never had reason to believe they have made up stories before, they seem to have a good of journalistic integrity. Several fans are disappointed with Fulmer's production, myself included, so I see no reason why players wouldn't be as well.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
I dont know what the KNS has been writing about...I hardly ever read it. What I do know is a column full of unnamed sources, that really lead to nothing, is hack journalism.
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But Pennington claims he's not a journalist (when it suits him).
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
I dont know what the KNS has been writing about...I hardly ever read it. What I do know is a column full of unnamed sources, that really lead to nothing, is hack journalism.
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I wasn't contending whether or not is was a hack piece. I just want to know if you really believe that he made it all up. I personally know a handful of ex-Vol players who played for Battle, Majors, and CPF. The article is quite believable to me, because they give me very similar details. Yes the sources are anonymous, but they are real sources nonetheless.
 
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volfanbill said:
Keeping the sources as anonymous has been used in journalism for about as long as journalists have been around and it's been questioned since journalists have been around. The mass public accepts Game Of Shadows, yet it is anonymous sources.

The one thing Pennington nailed was the fact that it doesn't matter when the story ran. It's not his job to worry about timing and helping or hurting someone. I see no reason the article can't be truth. While not a huge KS fan, I've never had reason to believe they have made up stories before, they seem to have a good of journalistic integrity. Several fans are disappointed with Fulmer's production, myself included, so I see no reason why players wouldn't be as well.
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I have no problem using anonymous sources leading to A STORY. WHat is the story here? The UT football is in the doldrums? We all can see that. We dont need "unnamed" sources to point the way.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
I have no problem using anonymous sources leading to A STORY. WHat is the story here? The UT football is in the doldrums? We all can see that. We dont need "unnamed" sources to point the way.
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it all depends on how you look at it. You can look at it and say random fans John Doe and Jane Smith are complaining that Fulmer has lost it. Or you can say former players who wish to remain anonymous say Fulmer has lost it. Saying the latter carries a lot more weight and creates the story.
 
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Lexvol said:
I wasn't contending whether or not is was a hack piece. I just want to know if you really believe that he made it all up. I personally know a handful of ex-Vol players who played for Battle, Majors, and CPF. The article is quite believable to me, because they give me very similar details. Yes the sources are anonymous, but they are real sources nonetheless.
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Good point Lex...and if your next "SHOTS" piece quoted a few of them, even anonymously, I would read it and probably never pay any attention to it. WHy? Because this is an internet message board. I dont turn to VN as a source for news.

HOWEVER, the KNS is a member of the press. They are supposed to be reporting FACTS or opinions based on their perceptions of the FACTS.
 
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obxvol said:
Perhaps there is a reason that the time expended to weight lifting, tackling, practice in general is more limited now. Graduation rates are becoming more of an issue. There is an article today on Yahoo sports about BC and their impressive graduation rate. Maybe the schools are feeling the pressure and are having to spend more time ensuring academics than weight lifting? Just a guess.
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Every team faces the same obstacles. Fulmer can't use those excuses for mediocrity.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
Good point Lex...and if your next "SHOTS" piece quoted a few of them, even anonymously, I would read it and probably never pay any attention to it. WHy? Because this is an internet message board. I dont turn to VN as a source for news.

HOWEVER, the KNS is a member of the press. They are supposed to be reporting FACTS or opinions based on their perceptions of the FACTS.
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which is your problem. You refuse to accept it as fact. As far as I can recall the KNS has been a clean newspaper, void of hack pieces. In fact, EW Scripps has been squeaky clean for as long I know. There are no reasons to accept it as a false article other than the fact you don't know the sources by name, and possibly you don't want to admit it.
 
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volfanbill said:
it all depends on how you look at it. You can look at it and say random fans John Doe and Jane Smith are complaining that Fulmer has lost it. Or you can say former players who wish to remain anonymous say Fulmer has lost it. Saying the latter carries a lot more weight and creates the story.
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"
Johnny Majors To Return to UT as Head Coach" quoted a source close to the program.
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Now, I just made something up. Go and see if you can find out for yourself if it is true or not.

Would
"Johnny Majors to return to UT as Head Coach" said Mike Hamilton
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Did that help you any?

Which carries the most weight?
 
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volfanbill said:
which is your problem. You refuse to accept it as fact. As far as I can recall the KNS has been a clean newspaper, void of hack pieces. In fact, EW Scripps has been squeaky clean for as long I know. There are no reasons to accept it as a false article other than the fact you don't know the sources by name, and possibly you don't want to admit it.
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Accept what as fact? That JP could have very easily got on any VOL board and read a post, then attributed it to a former UT player? Heck, how do we know that one of his unnamed quotes wasnt one of yours?
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
Good point Lex...and if your next "SHOTS" piece quoted a few of them, even anonymously, I would read it and probably never pay any attention to it. WHy? Because this is an internet message board. I dont turn to VN as a source for news.

HOWEVER, the KNS is a member of the press. They are supposed to be reporting FACTS or opinions based on their perceptions of the FACTS.
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If they came from anonymous sources who had a basis of comparison, what is not factual about the info that they provided?

Mike Griffith often posts his opion about CPF and compares the program to his Bammer days....in fact KNS is full of sports editorials, as are most papers. If all you read was sports news, you would be stuck reading the game reports. That would be the extent of what you would get.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
I dont turn to VN as a source for news.
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I actually find out more about the program and what's going on around the program from VN then I do from the "media". Just have to know how to week out the BS posts from the credible ones.

The article had alot of goods points. A win against UGA doesn't change the fact that before the win we were sucking wind. The only thing that saved us was the Gators demise two weeks in a row. If that hadn't happened we would still be a game behind and Fulmer would not be looking as good as he does now. In this case, someone else put him/us potentially back in the drivers seat. We needed help.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
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Now, I just made something up. Go and see if you can find out for yourself if it is true or not.

Would Did that help you any?

Which carries the most weight?
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Neither because everyone knows that would never happen. Just like everyone knows everything in that article has been said before about the program in 05.
 
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orangeblooded_2 said:
"

Now, I just made something up. Go and see if you can find out for yourself if it is true or not.

Would Did that help you any?

Which carries the most weight?
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you're totally missing the whole issue of journalistic integrity. The KNS can't just make something up without facing libel and slander sanctions. It's a heavy crime and something they can't afford to do which is why I can't believe they'd make it up. If he says he has sources and the KNS let it run, he must have been able to back it up.
 
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