Penn State scandal (merged)

#826
#826
rmsmith said:
Ehh i don't think i'm going to prison for a kid I do not know. I'd stop it. and report it to the police, but kill the guy so i can sit in prison? No thanks.
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I'd almost be willing to bet you'd never serve one day of prison time.
 
#827
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LawVol13 said:
I think I can say with complete confidence that if I saw someone ass raping a young boy that I wouldn't wait a decade to testify about it. Also, I'd probably attempt to kill the guy when I caught him.
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You're talking out of your ass. I'm not going to buy a single word of what anybody says about putting themselves in just such a hypothetical situation.
 
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milohimself said:
He didn't run the university, and contrary to what everyone has been saying, JoePa does have a chain of command above him.


I can't believe the number of people that have come out and said "If I were in that situation, I would have done ......."

Really? Are you gonna sit there and lecture the rest of us on what exactly to do when you walk in a child being molested or worse? Like you know for a fact you'd have the wherewithal while witnessing something like that?

Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
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If we are idiots your a puss.

I always here people say what they would do in situations. I had a guy break into my house when I left Knoxville, I shot the mother ****er just because he was in my house. Just because you are a coward and can't think logically about what you would do, don't throw us in that same boat. I see something wrong with a kid, I help, I live around the block from St. Jude here in Memphis and volunteer there. I see pain these kids go through, yes I would have done something to help that child.

If you can't see he is a selfish old bastard, then your the idiot, puss.
 
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milohimself said:
That was per some prosecutor I saw last night on AC360, who specializes in cases like this -- there are clauses written into many, many contracts like this for just such a case where somebody witnesses some sort of assault, whether or not it be sexual in nature or against men, women or children.

I won't judge Paterno because he 1) didn't commit the acts himself, 2) didn't physically witness what had happened and 3) ostensibly followed the rules provided for such a situation. And mostly, I won't judge him because I, nor any of you, know the details of the situation.

At the end of the day, all this venom at JoePa is just speculation. He needed to step down, and maybe he could have done something more, but we just don't know.
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I could see that being the case if this was an isolated incident that happened a few months ago. But there is no way JoPa didn't know something happened in back in 98. So for 6 years you see this guy walking around with kids and than another incident occurs. STILL Sandusky returns to Penn St and is around children as early as last week. I don't care what's in his contract or not, at some point a reasonable person would at least demand Sandusky to be banned from the campus.

I also find it convenient that Paterno did just the bare minimum in all these situations to avoid legal prosecution
 
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milohimself said:
You're right, you don't know. None of us do. He did the right thing in stepping down, and the guilty parties are going to be prosecuted.


Yeah, they have clauses that specific in contracts.

There are a lot of people going all moral soap box and acting like a bunch of Nancy Graces.

The people who even look like they might be culpable are gone, most of them being prosecuted and that's that.

The tragedy is unbelievable. Sandusky is a sick SOB, and I wish prisons would let people like him out among the general population. But for the rest of it, as much as we'd like to find someone to blame, that can't always be done. It got reported up the tree to the AD, and he sat on it. He's going to be tried, so we'll find out why.
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Maybe I'm being vague or something. You could write a contract that required you to murder people. Is it legally enforceable? No. And yes, you could contract people to not call the police. Is it legally enforceable? No. If that's what it said, it's worth about as much as a piece of toilet paper.
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LawVol13 said:
Somehow, I think if you beat a guy to death who was raping a kid that a jury might side with you. Also, you'd be considered a hero not a criminal.
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I'd view it that way sure, but legally i'd be guilty. I'm not going to risk jail and being away from my daughter.
 
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#834
Also, whatever Paterno "didn't know" in this situation was because he didn't want to know. That doesn't change anything imo.
 
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milohimself said:
He didn't run the university, and contrary to what everyone has been saying, JoePa does have a chain of command above him.


I can't believe the number of people that have come out and said "If I were in that situation, I would have done ......."

Really? Are you gonna sit there and lecture the rest of us on what exactly to do when you walk in a child being molested or worse? Like you know for a fact you'd have the wherewithal while witnessing something like that?

Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
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Seriously? I have been in a situation where a child in my youth group informed me that they were being molested and it took all of about 1 second for me to tell the pastor of the church and the police. It is not enough to just go to your superiors on a matter as serious as this. If you don't know what you would do in this situation, then I suggest you do some soul searching.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
If we are idiots your a puss.

I always here people say what they would do in situations. I had a guy break into my house when I left Knoxville, I shot the mother ****er just because he was in my house. Just because you are a coward and can't think logically about what you would do, don't throw us in that same boat. I see something wrong with a kid, I help, I live around the block from St. Jude here in Memphis and volunteer there. I see pain these kids go through, yes I would have done something to help that child.

I you can't see he is a selfish old bastard, then your the idiot, puss.
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How? How? How the hell would you know what you would do until it happens? How is sexual assault on a child analogous to a burglar breaking into your house? Unless you're mentally sick, it would be unfathomable to put yourself in such a situation, let alone try and speculate what you would do.

PS, your grammar sucks.
 
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milohimself said:
You're talking out of your ass. I'm not going to buy a single word of what anybody says about putting themselves in just such a hypothetical situation.
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My friend, I'm not sure if you're actually reading what you're typing. But, if you could live with yourself for just sitting by and doing nothing about a child rape that you personally witnessed, then I don't know what to say. His negligence led to multiple othe innocent children being victimized. I'd rather die than have to live with that forever. If you wouldn't, that's on you.
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LawVol13 said:
Maybe I'm being vague or something. You could write a contract that required you to murder people. Is it legally enforceable? No. And yes, you could contract people to not call the police. Is it legally enforceable? No. If that's what it said, it's worth about as much as a piece of toilet paper.
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If the law says that you must report something, could that not be fulfilled by reporting it to your superior? Could that not then be written into contract, legally, that's how you must do it?

TheRealTO said:
Also, whatever Paterno "didn't know" in this situation was because he didn't want to know. That doesn't change anything imo.
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Wow. Speculation, assumptions and hearsay run amok in this *****.
 
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milohimself said:
How? How? How the hell would you know what you would do until it happens? How is sexual assault on a child analogous to a burglar breaking into your house? Unless you're mentally sick, it would be unfathomable to put yourself in such a situation, let alone try and speculate what you would do.

PS, your grammar sucks.
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You suck. I am so pissed that you are actually blind to what happened I can hardly type.

You are a pathetic human, scum. If I heard and saw what was happening, I would react. That reaction would be to help the kid.

You are no better than those ****ers at the school that let this happen.
 
#842
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milohimself said:
He didn't run the university, and contrary to what everyone has been saying, JoePa does have a chain of command above him.


I can't believe the number of people that have come out and said "If I were in that situation, I would have done ......."

Really? Are you gonna sit there and lecture the rest of us on what exactly to do when you walk in a child being molested or worse? Like you know for a fact you'd have the wherewithal while witnessing something like that?

Any of you lynch mob types: You're idiots.
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Yeah, he didn't run the university but if anyone could have stopped this dead in its tracks it was JoPa. Pre-internet days, he could fix a ticket and bail a player out of jail faster than anyone in the state. All he had to do was say the word and Sandusky would have been behind bars within the hour. He didn't do that.
 
#843
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milohimself said:
If the law says that you must report something, could that not be fulfilled by reporting it to your superior? Could that not then be written into contract, legally, that's how you must do it?


Wow. Speculation, assumptions and hearsay run amok in this *****.
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#844
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LawVol13 said:
My friend, I'm not sure if you're actually reading what you're typing. But, if you could live with yourself for just sitting by and doing nothing about a child rape that you personally witnessed, then I don't know what to say. His negligence led to multiple othe innocent children being victimized. I'd rather die than have to live with that forever. If you wouldn't, that's on you.
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Me too. Milo is exact opposite of what I thought of him to be, very disappointing.
 
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#845
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milohimself said:
If the law says that you must report something, could that not be fulfilled by reporting it to your superior? Could that not then be written into contract, legally, that's how you must do it?


Wow. Speculation, assumptions and hearsay run amok in this *****.
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Yes, you could say that this is how you handle this situation. Does that prevent you from notifying the police? Absolutely not. I mean, is penn state going to sue him because he notified the authorities about a serial child rapist? Somehow, I wouldnt see that being a good PR move.
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#846
#846
LawVol13 said:
My friend, I'm not sure if you're actually reading what you're typing. But, if you could live with yourself for just sitting by and doing nothing about a child rape that you personally witnessed, then I don't know what to say. His negligence led to multiple othe innocent children being victimized. I'd rather die than have to live with that forever. If you wouldn't, that's on you.
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By God, I hope I would have stopped it and gone straight to the police if I witnessed what he witnessed. But I have not, nor have you, and I am not him, nor are you, and neither of us are God, judge or jury, so who are we to judge him?
 
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#849
#849
milohimself said:
By God, I hope I would have stopped it and gone straight to the police if I witnessed what he witnessed. But I have not, nor have you, and I am not him, nor are you, and neither of us are God, judge or jury, so who are we to judge him?
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I think he should be judged as should anyone in his situation. Allowing child rape to occur simply because you're either a pussy or worried abou your job isn't excusable under any circumstances.
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LawVol13 said:
I think he should be judged as should anyone in his situation. Allowing child rape to occur simply because you're either a pussy or worried abou your job isn't excusable under any circumstances.
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Pretty much sums it up.
 
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