Penn State Sanctions- recruits/transfers

[RichRollin]

Even after Sandusky was let go as a DC, did they or did they not allow him access to PSU facilities for his kid program? This being after his actions had been reported.

 

[jdavis675]

Common sense doesn't tell you that would happen anyway, without NCAA involvement??

I'm not sure what you are getting at here? The courts are not going to shutdown or punish the football program other than money judgments against the university. There is no applicable law nor do they have the jurisdiction to do so.

 

[jave36]

Reggie Bush had to do with amateur status during his time at USC.

You were arguing that no one involved is ay the school anymore so there is mo point in punishing the school. I was saying that's not how it works.

 

[tennvols77]

Nobody can "fix" what happened not even the courts. One of the purposes of punitive measures is deterrence. The NCAA is going to send a clear message that if your football program and athletic department is covering up child rapes then you will not be having the privilege of having a football program.

Once again I don't know what any answer to any of this is.
But, I believe in the measurement of the individual and the individuals actions.
The individuals involved happen to be the people that should never-- never ever ever- be the ones who acted like they did and didn't act like the people they were supposed to and are held to be in their positions.
If the President did something that was terrible and really bad, are we the people to be held accountable, or further, every federal, state, and local department and agency to be held to his actions and those below him involved?
Man, it's just a terrible situation and once again, had a certain GA acted this might all have hopefully been nipped in the butt before it grew over an 8 year period.

 

[Gramps]

Also, has the NCAA ever ruled on a criminal case like this before, and what were the penalties is so??

The NCAA. rule on this because of lack of institutional control.
Not only is PSU guilty of lack of control, they are also guilty of enabling Sandusky to continuing his terror on the boys.

Every child that Sandusky raped after 1998 could have been stopped had the administration reported this to the authorities.

At that time the story would be about a sick coach, now its about the university allowing these acts to continue.

The NCAA needs to make a strong statement .

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

You were arguing that no one involved is ay the school anymore so there is mo point in punishing the school. I was saying that's not how it works.

The people involved have already been punished, is what I was arguing. With the Bush incident, no one had, until the NCAA ruled on it.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I'm not sure what you are getting at here? The courts are not going to shutdown or punish the football program other than money judgments against the university. There is no applicable law nor do they have the jurisdiction to do so.

Nor should they, but based on everything that's happened, you don't think that PSU is going to do an adequate job watching this now, especially given the spotlight they are in?? What does the NCAA have to prove here??

 

[UTMark]

The powers at PSU covered this up because of football. That's why the NCAA is getting involved. It gave them an advantage in recruiting and reputation by it not coming out and saved Joe Pa's job at the time.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

The NCAA. rule on this because of lack of institutional control.
Not only is PSU guilty of lack of control, they are also guilty of enabling Sandusky to continuing his terror on the boys.

Every child that Sandusky raped after 1998 could have been stopped had the administration reported this to the authorities.

At that time the story would be about a sick coach, now its about the university allowing these acts to continue.

The NCAA needs to make a strong statement .

What statement is that, and what statement could they make, that the courts already haven't made?? Also, do you believe PSU should be able to move forward, or have more damage dealt to their school, by making some ruling that has nothing to really do with NCAA rules, other the blanket "lack of institutional control"??

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

The powers at PSU covered this up because of football. That's why the NCAA is getting involved. It gave them an advantage in recruiting and reputation by it not coming out and saved Joe Pa's job at the time.

Maybe so, but what on earth can the NCAA do to help fix this, or what ruling can they render to deal out any more justice than already has been handed out??

 

[USMC_0311]

For everyone saying that the Death Penalty is too much punishment, think about it this way. I know Paterno didn't molest any children but if he would've done his job, along with the other administrators, there would've been several children saved. Instead, they swept it under the rug and there were several children that had to pay the price. If this had happened at UT, I would expect the same type of punishment. I have two children and think about them every time I hear people discussing this. It's the worst of all crimes and will follow these kids forever. This is the reason I agree with the death penalty in the justice system and in college football.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

This is an emotional issue, and the NCAA needs to stay the hell out of emotional issues. Making a ruling right now, does nothing to help or prevent anything, other than letting the NCAA have its "supposed" say.

 

[jdavis675]

Nor should they, but based on everything that's happened, you don't think that PSU is going to do an adequate job watching this now, especially given the spotlight they are in?? What does the NCAA have to prove here??

I have no faith in a university that covered up child rape for 15 years and had numerous lower level employees not report the crime because they were intimidated by the powers that be. 15 years of malfeasance and zero oversight by the board of trustees does not indicate to me that anyone at that university knows how do an "adequate" job.

 

[zidanefan]

So all those people who have jobs surrounding their athletic department, and probably weren't even there when this took place, should lose their jobs and suffer because one sick SOB and a few a-holes committed and covered up this heinous situation? I fail to see any logic in that. Who are you really punishing? The legal system does this, not the court of the wishy washy NCAA.

The short answer is "yes." This is what college football - let me restate that -: COLLEGE football has become. By golly, if you're winning (as a HC) it's your university. Do whatever you want, we'll look the other way. An example must be made for two reasons:

1) To ensure that other programs are scared $@#%less about letting anything like this slide.

2) As justice (although it can't possibly suffice) for the victims.

Joe Pa, if he did cover this up, deserves to be remembered as a scumbag. Those other employees you mentioned will find other jobs.

 

[rekinhavoc]

They did everything they could to protect their cash cow over the well being of children. The Ncaa's statement should be no program is above the well being of children.
The Ncaa should destroy the very thing they thought was so important.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

For everyone saying that the Death Penalty is too much punishment, think about it this way. I know Paterno didn't molest any children but if he would've done his job, along with the other administrators, there would've been several children saved. Instead, they swept it under the rug and there were several children that had to pay the price. If this had happened at UT, I would expect the same type of punishment. I have two children and think about them every time I hear people discussing this. It's the worst of all crimes and will follow these kids forever. This is the reason I agree with the death penalty in the justice system and in college football.

This post helps make my point. The NCAA can neither win, nor lose with emotional issues, and should let our court system deal with it, and it has.

 

[CountVolcula]

The people involved have already been punished, is what I was arguing. With the Bush incident, no one had, until the NCAA ruled on it.

How difficult is it to understand that they didnt report the crimes to protect the image of PSU and the Footbal program?

Since it was directly involving the Football Program, its an NCAA issue

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I have no faith in a university that covered up child rape for 15 years and had numerous lower level employees not report the crime because they were intimidated by the powers that be. 15 years of malfeasance and zero oversight by the board of trustees does not indicate to me that anyone at that university knows how do an "adequate" job.

So, close the whole school down. Would that be "adequate"?? What about all those people who had no clue it was going on, should we punish them too??

 

[tennvols77]

For everyone saying that the Death Penalty is too much punishment, think about it this way. I know Paterno didn't molest any children but if he would've done his job, along with the other administrators, there would've been several children saved. Instead, they swept it under the rug and there were several children that had to pay the price. If this had happened at UT, I would expect the same type of punishment. I have two children and think about them every time I hear people discussing this. It's the worst of all crimes and will follow these kids forever. This is the reason I agree with the death penalty in the justice system and in college football.

I'm with you but, if you assign the death penalty for football where does it stop. Because the athletic director isn't just football, and how many people within any ncaa recognized sports at psu knew, had heard, had inclinations about what was being covered up or what sandusky was doing. They too then should be held to the same punishment and scrutiny as evryone else already involved.
Then, the pres. and board of directors, and so on who also could have known are a part of this and now,
Do you shut down the state institution of psu?

 

[ob79]

Again, they have payed enough penalties, and Sandusky is gone for good. When do they get to start the healing process, after the NCAA gets a hold of them?? It's dumb the NCAA is even touching this. Hell, they are removing JP's statue, so it's not like they aren't trying to get rid of what might remind people of this mess.

Members at the school's highest levels, both academic and athletic, were not only aware of a cover up but involved in it....its not dumb.

Kid's lives were irreparably harmed because of the actions and inaction of the university...to say the university shouldn't be held liable IS beyond dumb....not the 'AA's involvement.

For once they got it right...

 

[BaldBiker]

I didn't at first, but now I am going to have to say, that I kind of agree with Eric on this. Let the legal system handle this. As long as EVERYONE (people) involved has been or is being dealt with for their criminal actions, the NCAA should leave it alone......with one exception. I believe the NCAA should allow anyone involved with the Football Program the chance to leave this year, if they so choose. There may be people, whether it be players or employees, who really do not want to be associated with PSU Football anymore because of this. IF that is the case, it would be punishing innocent people, by making them stay. For this one year, the current players and recruits, should have the choice of staying or leaving, without being penalized.

 

[Gramps]

What statement is that, and what statement could they make, that the courts already haven't made?? Also, do you believe PSU should be able to move forward, or have more damage dealt to their school, by making some ruling that has nothing to really do with NCAA rules, other the blanket "lack of institutional control"??

The statement should be strong enough to let other members be aware that this type of action by the university administration and its athletic department will not be tolerated.

I feel bad for the players and fans, however, the NCAA Cannot allow one of its members cover up criminal actions to protect one of its athletic programs.

If there was ever or ever will be a case of lack of institutional control, this is it.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

How difficult is it to understand that they didnt report the crimes to protect the image of PSU and the Footbal program?

Since it was directly involving the Football Program, its an NCAA issue

Again, find me something other than the "lack of institutional control" they can rule on?? It's an abomination that it happened in the first place, but the NCAA will overstep its bounds here, if it does anything here.

 

[all_volz]

What statement is that, and what statement could they make, that the courts already haven't made?? Also, do you believe PSU should be able to move forward, or have more damage dealt to their school, by making some ruling that has nothing to really do with NCAA rules, other the blanket "lack of institutional control"??

This is "lack of institutional control" at its highest level and they should get the death penalty,

 

[zidanefan]

The statement should be strong enough to let other members be aware that this type of action by the university administration and its athletic department will not be tolerated.

I feel bad for the players and fans, however, the NCAA Cannot allow one of its members cover up criminal actions to protect one of its athletic programs.

If there was ever or ever will be a case of lack of institutional control, this is it.

Exactly. And it's about making sure college football isn't elevated to such a status the other admins are afraid to bring the hammer when necessary.