Penalties - recurring theme

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allvol123 said:
UCF was one of the worst teams for penalties and penalty yards per game the last 2 years.

So this could be ongoing issue.
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Supporting your observation as I have noticed this same thing. I have wondered if the extreme effort to "go fast" is having an effect. Not so mush against Pit, but in the BG game it seemed to be first in everyone's mine to the distraction to the play itself. Did you notice the play in the Pit game where the QB was so caught up in the play that he missed a 12 man on field situation?
 
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I believe that some false starts are just a byproduct of a high tempo offense. The other penalties were just sloppy play/poor decisions. Hopefully those can be corrected.

Banks must have thought that Pitt player was a police officer.
 
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GTBATV said:
I believe that some false starts are just a byproduct of a high tempo offense. The other penalties were just sloppy play/poor decisions. Hopefully those can be corrected.

Banks must have thought that Pitt player was a police officer.
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But will they? Looks like a pattern with his teams.
 
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allvol123 said:
UCF was one of the worst teams for penalties and penalty yards per game the last 2 years.

So this could be ongoing issue.
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This is a very concerning element in CJH's teams at UCF. It's one of those things which make me think, those penalties may not be an issue in other conferences, but that won't work in the SEC.

UCF ave 8 per game for 70 yrds.
 
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allvol123 said:
But will they? Looks like a pattern with his teams.
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When he was hired, I watched a lot of film on his offense. Most of the penalties were for false starts in the hurry up. Again, I think this just happens some with his style of offense.

The holding calls, the unnecessary roughness, etc. I am hoping those can be corrected. If we had half of the penalty yards back Saturday, might be a different outcome.
 
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McDad said:
This is a very concerning element in CJH's teams at UCF. It's one of those things which make me think, those penalties may not be an issue in other conferences, but that won't work in the SEC.

UCF ave 8 per game for 70 yrds.
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Plus I think CJH is trying to be a player's coach because of the regime these kids were under previously. So discipline may be a line he finds difficult to approach.
 
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McDad said:
This is a very concerning element in CJH's teams at UCF. It's one of those things which make me think, those penalties may not be an issue in other conferences, but that won't work in the SEC.

UCF ave 8 per game for 70 yrds.
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Trying to so fast all the time. I'm just guessing, but I bet a majority of them were false starts and holds
 
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We haven't received a lot of pre-snap penalties. A few for sure, but not a lot given the tempo we play at on offense. We had far to many just poor decisions. Mays late hit, banks tackle, Wright taking his helmet off. That stuff can't happen, that's 45 yards right there. The block in the back as well on the kick 6, that took 7 points and 100+ yards.

Just too many mistakes. We have to clean up penalties and turnovers. Honestly we did a lot of good things outside of that. Certainly enough things to win the game.
 
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I've not done a deep dive, but I wonder what type of penalties UCF received to rack up those numbers? Were they procedural penalties, or were they holds, PI's, bad personal fouls, and other stupid poor play penalties?

I know we had some false starts on Saturday, but for the most part, I feel like the bulk of our problems were a result of poor decisions. 30 yards for Cade cleaning up the pile (which was atrociously stupid) and Banks doing his best Stone Cold impression. Then 15 for Flowers pushing a guy that would have needed to be Yao Ming to catch the pass he was defending. Banks then negates a touchdown with a block in the back. We got dinged for holding multiple times as well, and I presume those will continue.

The false start in the redzone on Wright was also Mays's fault, if my understanding is correct, as he clapped trying to tell Carvin not to snap the ball because the receivers weren't set. Well, problem is we clap to signal the snap. So, Wright heard the clap and started the play. Not good, but also somewhat understandable on Wright's part.

That said, the above four flags are all avoidable. Now, maybe they are just a horribly undisciplined bunch, but I didn't feel like we saw those sort of problems in game 1.

We won't get a good read next week, but we'll see if these problems continue to plague us in the Florida game.
 
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rdk4121 said:
We haven't received a lot of pre-snap penalties. A few for sure, but not a lot given the tempo we play at on offense. We had far to many just poor decisions. Mays late hit, banks tackle, Wright taking his helmet off. That stuff can't happen, that's 45 yards right there. The block in the back as well on the kick 6, that took 7 points and 100+ yards.

Just too many mistakes. We have to clean up penalties and turnovers. Honestly we did a lot of good things outside of that. Certainly enough things to win the game.
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I forgot all about Wright taking his helmet off. Such a stupid decision, and so unearned as well. It was a one play drive for 1 yard. You don't have to be smart, but just don't be a moron.
 
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If JM could hit just half of his long passes, I'd consider that an acceptable offset to higher than average penalty yards.
 
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McDad said:
This is a very concerning element in CJH's teams at UCF. It's one of those things which make me think, those penalties may not be an issue in other conferences, but that won't work in the SEC.

UCF ave 8 per game for 70 yrds.
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Look at the number of penalties vs number of plays. 2 games and our offense has ran 170 plays I believe.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Trying to so fast all the time. I'm just guessing, but I bet a majority of them were false starts and holds
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Other posters have said same. I bet if we looked at the specific penalties, your hunch would be confirmed.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I've not done a deep dive, but I wonder what type of penalties UCF received to rack up those numbers? Were they procedural penalties, or were they holds, PI's, bad personal fouls, and other stupid poor play penalties?

I know we had some false starts on Saturday, but for the most part, I feel like the bulk of our problems were a result of poor decisions. 30 yards for Cade cleaning up the pile (which was atrociously stupid) and Banks doing his best Stone Cold impression. Then 15 for Flowers pushing a guy that would have needed to be Yao Ming to catch the pass he was defending. Banks then negates a touchdown with a block in the back. We got dinged for holding multiple times as well, and I presume those will continue.

The false start in the redzone on Wright was also Mays's fault, if my understanding is correct, as he clapped trying to tell Carvin not to snap the ball because the receivers weren't set. Well, problem is we clap to signal the snap. So, Wright heard the clap and started the play. Not good, but also somewhat understandable on Wright's part.

That said, the above four flags are all avoidable. Now, maybe they are just a horribly undisciplined bunch, but I didn't feel like we saw those sort of problems in game 1.

We won't get a good read next week, but we'll see if these problems continue to plague us in the Florida game.
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Like the Georgia game last year when we stopped them twice on critical third downs, only to be extended by unnecessary and stupid personal fouls. They scored touchdowns on both those drives
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
It might take Heupel a while to iron out the lack of discipline in some of our players who are prone to late hits
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It might. The team was hyped for the game Saturday. Generally, I think that is a great way to approach a game. I complained that Fulmer's teams looked unenthusiastic many times against UF.

But there is such a thing as too much emotion. Personal fouls can be reduced by balancing the hype with discipline.
 
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McDad said:
Other posters have said same. I bet if we looked at the specific penalties, your hunch would be confirmed.
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Penalties:

First Half:

1. Unsportsmanlike conduct (15 yards) - Darnell Wright taking off helmet
2. Holding (10 yard)
3. False Start (5 yards)
4. Pass Interference (15 yards)
5. False Start (5 yards ) - Darnell Wright
6. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Cade Mays late hit
7. Offensive Pass Interference (15 yards) - Tillman in the endzone
8. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Banks powerbomb

Second Half:

9. False Start (5 yards)
10. Holding (9 yards)
11. Pass Interference (15 yards)
12. Illegal Motion (5 yards)
13. False Start (5 yards)

We also had the Banks block in the back in the second half, which was declined, but also which wiped a touchdown.

So, seven penalties were either procedural or holding, for a total of 44 yards.

Six penalties were just mistakes by our players for a total of 90 yards, including three inexcusable personal fouls that accounted for 45 yards.
 
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McDad said:
This is a very concerning element in CJH's teams at UCF. It's one of those things which make me think, those penalties may not be an issue in other conferences, but that won't work in the SEC.

UCF ave 8 per game for 70 yrds.
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I also noticed that, back when CJH was announced as our new head coach, and wondered the same. But it seems that teams from the state of Florida always rank high in penalties or penalty yardage, even after coaching changes.

I checked, and over the past several seasons there were always at least two Florida teams with more penalty yardage than Tennessee. Currently, for this season, there are 5 Florida teams with more penalty yardage than Tennessee.

There's a scientific way to look at it: Every "Florida Man" in a news headline... was once a boy.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Penalties:

First Half:

1. Unsportsmanlike conduct (15 yards) - Darnell Wright taking off helmet
2. Holding (10 yard)
3. False Start (5 yards)
4. Pass Interference (15 yards)
5. False Start (5 yards ) - Darnell Wright
6. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Cade Mays late hit
7. Offensive Pass Interference (15 yards) - Tillman in the endzone
8. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Banks powerbomb

Second Half:

9. False Start (5 yards)
10. Holding (9 yards)
11. Pass Interference (15 yards)
12. Illegal Motion (5 yards)
13. False Start (5 yards)

We also had the Banks block in the back in the second half, which was declined, but also which wiped a touchdown.

So, seven penalties were either procedural or holding, for a total of 44 yards.

Six penalties were just mistakes by our players for a total of 90 yards, including three inexcusable personal fouls that accounted for 45 yards.
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I may have confused you. I was talking about the penalties over CJH's tenure at UCF.

Although, this is the first I've seen our penalties listed from Saturday.

That first half....oof.
 
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McDad said:
I may have confused you. I was talking about the penalties over CJH's tenure at UCF.

Although, this is the first I've seen our penalties listed from Saturday.

That first half....oof.
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Yeah, and that's what I was mentioning earlier. It is interesting to see that without the sloppy penalties, we are pretty close to his average.

I have been somewhat encouraged by our execution of the offense from a procedural standpoint, but I may have been a little blinded on Saturday due to the overall poor play overshadowing the procedural penalties.
 
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RhodesVol said:
Penalties:

First Half:

1. Unsportsmanlike conduct (15 yards) - Darnell Wright taking off helmet
2. Holding (10 yard)
3. False Start (5 yards)
4. Pass Interference (15 yards)
5. False Start (5 yards ) - Darnell Wright
6. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Cade Mays late hit
7. Offensive Pass Interference (15 yards) - Tillman in the endzone
8. Unnecessary Roughness (15 yards) - Banks powerbomb

Second Half:

9. False Start (5 yards)
10. Holding (9 yards)
11. Pass Interference (15 yards)
12. Illegal Motion (5 yards)
13. False Start (5 yards)

We also had the Banks block in the back in the second half, which was declined, but also which wiped a touchdown.

So, seven penalties were either procedural or holding, for a total of 44 yards.

Six penalties were just mistakes by our players for a total of 90 yards, including three inexcusable personal fouls that accounted for 45 yards.
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Wright removing his helmet is the very definition of boneheaded. I thought the Banks roughing penalty was dumb... the guy was still fighting for yardage. Cade as well, boneheaded. We are not good enough to shoot ourselves in the foot over and over and win.
 
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