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BowlBrother85 said:
There have always been "nega-Vols" even in the best of times. The "Fire Phil" crowd had their pitchforks out after the '96 Memphis game. I do remember that. Tennessee would go on to win 29 of their next 31 games after that loss... and it still didn't shut all of them up.
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Yeah I remember people wanting to fire Phil before we ever had a losing season..those were the days
 
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TJSVOLS said:
And can you prove what you said, absolutely not so believe what you want. And if you truly feel that way why stay around. Is it just so you can come on here and whine.
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The evidence points more in my favor than it does yours.
 
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Vols1313 said:
Nothing like Tn fans uniting behind a common cause of us being good again, can we not hope anymore ? Will the thought police revoke our hope privileges? Lol
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Yep, and I think it's really silly to think Tennessee can't be good again.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There have always been "nega-Vols" even in the best of times. The "Fire Phil" crowd had their pitchforks out after the '96 Memphis game. I do remember that. Tennessee would go on to win 29 of their next 31 games after that loss... and it still didn't shut all of them up.
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Thankful the I interwebs was in its infancy back then.
 
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DNBVOL said:
Can you prove that? Lol. No you can't. All signs point to Tennessee being at the bottom of the SEC for a long time to come. But hey, believe what you will lol
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Depends on what you mean by "a long time to come". Nothing in college athletics, as far as success or failure, is set in stone for more than 5 years at a time.
 
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DNBVOL said:
Ours has been set in stone for over a decade
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No... it was never set in stone that we had to make one bad coaching hire after another. Or that every coach had to fail. Butch had a chance here. There was very clear improvement in 2015. We won 9 games and should have won 11. He was bringing in talent. He just couldn't develop it, or manage it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No... it was never set in stone that we had to make one bad coaching hire after another. Or that every coach had to fail. Butch had a chance here. There was very clear improvement in 2015. We won 9 games and should have won 11. He was bringing in talent. He just couldn't develop it, or manage it.
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Yeah. Should've, could've, wouldve buuuut they didn't. And here we are sitting at 1-3 in year 2 of a yet another coach, with losses to Ga st and byu and the teeth of our schedule starting us in the face. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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TJSVOLS said:
Yep, and I think it's really silly to think Tennessee can't be good again.
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Weā€™re just in a bad spot or cycle and weā€™ve had bad admin decisions , other fans need to be cautious it doesnā€™t take much to head in the wrong direction . If you take a step back and view the entire landscape everyone has struggles at times , ours has just lasted longer than we would like
 
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DNBVOL said:
Yeah. Should've, could've, wouldve buuuut they didn't. And here we are sitting at 1-3 in year 2 of a yet another coach, with losses to Ga st and byu and the teeth of our schedule starting us in the face. There is no light at the end of the tunnel.
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That doesn't mean you should stop digging.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That doesn't mean you should stop digging.
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Not saying that you should. Just saying the future is looking bleak. That is scary being we have been down for over a decade already. I don't want that to be the case, but it's the ugly reality we are facing.
 
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I wish I was as optimistic as yall. But my optimism has been sucked dry.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There have always been "nega-Vols" even in the best of times. The "Fire Phil" crowd had their pitchforks out after the '96 Memphis game. I do remember that. Tennessee would go on to win 29 of their next 31 games after that loss... and it still didn't shut all of them up.
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One of the most humorous things to me were the fans that kept throwing up Spurrierā€™s success vs Phil and the fact Steve was from Tennessee. Well Spurrier was a lazy recruiter but with Florida having roughly 250 blue chip instate athletes for every one in Tennessee, it did not matter. Fulmer and staff worked and recruited their butts off and deserved far better than they got from vol fans and administrators who kind of now understand that not allowing a hall of fame coach the opportunity to rebuild was a tragic error. Hiring Bill Battle instead of Johnny Majors and firing Phil Fulmer were self inflicted blunders of historic proportions.
 
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knox73 said:
One of the most humorous things to me were the fans that kept throwing up Spurrierā€™s success vs Phil and the fact Steve was from Tennessee. Well Spurrier was a lazy recruiter but with Florida having roughly 250 blue chip instate athletes for every one in Tennessee, it did not matter. Fulmer and staff worked and recruited their butts off and deserved far better than they got from vol fans and administrators who kind of now understand that not allowing a hall of fame coach the opportunity to rebuild was a tragic error. Hiring Bill Battle instead of Johnny Majors and firing Phil Fulmer were self inflicted blunders of historic proportions.
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For the most part I agree, but Fulmer had gotten a little lazy on the recruiting trail himself near the end. The last class that he signed in 2008 was not very good. Fulmer also hadn't shown that he could put a good offense on the field without David Cutcliffe as the Offensive Coordinator near the end. Fulmer's last two seasons without Cutcliffe, in 2005 and then again in 2008, were both a disaster... and Cutcliffe wasn't coming back again. Having said that, and with hindsight being 20/20, it's clear that Tennessee would have been better off being patient with Fulmer, and seeing if he could get a second wind to his coaching career. His firing was justified at the time, though.

Also, if Mike Hamilton had hired David Cutcliffe instead of Derek Dooley in January of 2010, Tennessee would be in much better shape today.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Tennessee was 45-5 during his career from 1995-1998, with 2 SEC Championships and a National Championship. We were more than just "relevant". The only programs you could say were better during those years were Nebraska and Florida. The landscape has changed and Tennessee hasn't changed with it.
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Man that's the way it still fills when I start to watch every game, just like my mind is still young but my body is getting older.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Tennessee was 45-5 during his career from 1995-1998, with 2 SEC Championships and a National Championship. We were more than just "relevant". The only programs you could say were better during those years were Nebraska and Florida. The landscape has changed and Tennessee hasn't changed with it.
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3 losses to Florida , 1 Memphis, 1 Nebraska
 
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knox73 said:
One of the most humorous things to me were the fans that kept throwing up Spurrierā€™s success vs Phil and the fact Steve was from Tennessee. Well Spurrier was a lazy recruiter but with Florida having roughly 250 blue chip instate athletes for every one in Tennessee, it did not matter. Fulmer and staff worked and recruited their butts off and deserved far better than they got from vol fans and administrators who kind of now understand that not allowing a hall of fame coach the opportunity to rebuild was a tragic error. Hiring Bill Battle instead of Johnny Majors and firing Phil Fulmer were self inflicted blunders of historic proportions.
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I think what you're trying to say is Fulmer recruited like heck.
 
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Vols1313 said:
Him saying that starting 10th in the nation was the lowest heā€™d been ranked as a vol going into 1998 really brings to light how relevant we were , man what I would give for those days again .
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Not really...

We were at the Pinnacle of college football during this few years - there were only two or possibly three programs that we're better at that point.

If we can just get ourselves to being a pernnial top 25 team, the rest will take care of itself

We just have to get that boulder up the hill to make it roll down the other side.
 
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