Pearl vs. Haith

#26
#26
MemphisCanes said:
The Ponzi scheme had nothing to do with Miami. Shapiro is a con man who is now doing federal time.

People should read the NCAA report, because it verifies that he provided around $80k in benefits (mostly meals, bowling, drinks at nightclubs and small gifts)over 8 years. There is absolutely nothing about an abortion for a stripper (laugh), and the NCAA doesn't make any findings on paying a player.

Miami lacked institutional control but there is no evidence (and no argument by the NCAA) that the Miami admin. knew about what was going on.

Haith and his assistants, and the football assistants, got what they deserved. Haith should've gotten more because the NCAA basically decided that his testimony was not credible. I guess they couldn't hamemr him though, because they could not prove he lied.
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Did Pearl's report actually say that he "lied". I beilieve it said that he "misled" the investigation. Same as Haith when his story changed 3 different times.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Did Pearl's report actually say that he "lied". I beilieve it said that he "misled" the investigation. Same as Haith when his story changed 3 different times.
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Pearl was busted red handed lying to investigators, and he even admitted as such once the cards were on the table.

Haith gave many different stories and the NCAA decided that he was "not credible" and that they suspected he knew about several things but did not admit that. They couldn't bust him in an outright lie, though.

I can't decide whether I think the difference should matter or not.
 
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Lexvol said:
BS....

The difference is that Miami fought back. Hamilton and Cheek rolled over and lubed up.

The AA takes advantage of low hanging fruit.
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This. I am surprised that Pearl himself didn't file a lawsuit at the time. I have never and will never condone lying, but what he did was not a crime. It totally effected his livelihood as that was his job, and preventing him from doing it is a huge punishment.
 
#29
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Lexvol said:
The infraction is all on Pearl. The weakness of the administration is what led to the harshness of the penalties.

The new paradigm with the AA is that if you show some teeth (Miami, Oregon, Penn State) they will deal regardless of the severity of the penalty.

If you roll over and try to "cooperate" like Ohio State, USC or UT, they stick it to you. It seems pretty simple.
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It's called leverage. I am in a profession that you try to find and/or create leverage to get a better result. Our administration and even Pearl failed to create some leverage to minimize the punishment.
 
#30
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MemphisCanes said:
Pearl was busted red handed lying to investigators, and he even admitted as such once the cards were on the table.

Haith gave many different stories and the NCAA decided that he was "not credible" and that they suspected he knew about several things but did not admit that. They couldn't bust him in an outright lie, though.

I can't decide whether I think the difference should matter or not.
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LOL. Semantics. We are in the same business, so I know what you did there. If Haith gave three different stories, then he clearly did not tell the truth. The NCAA was scared of their own problems. Just sad.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Pearl was busted red handed lying to investigators, and he even admitted as such once the cards were on the table.

Haith gave many different stories and the NCAA decided that he was "not credible" and that they suspected he knew about several things but did not admit that. They couldn't bust him in an outright lie, though.

I can't decide whether I think the difference should matter or not.
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I kind of agree here. Pearl really damaged his case by coming clean, even if it was the ethical thing to do (and no, I'm not implying that he confessed because it was the right thing to do). Haith simply continued to lie to cover his tracks, even changing his story several times.

Sadly, it sounds as if the moral of the story here is, unless you admit outright and the NCAA has you dead to rights as a result of your confession, you stand a reasonable chance of saving your professional career.

The school may suffer, and Tennessee and Miami both have/will, but the coach who lied and continued lying is living high with a slap on the wrist in Missouri, while the other will do good to get a job at Missouri Wesleyan if history is any indication.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I kind of agree here. Pearl really damaged his case by coming clean, even if it was the ethical thing to do (and no, I'm not implying that he confessed because it was the right thing to do). Haith simply continued to lie to cover his tracks, even changing his story several times.

Sadly, it sounds as if the moral of the story here is, unless you admit outright and the NCAA has you dead to rights as a result of your confession, you stand a reasonable chance of saving your professional career.

The school may suffer, and Tennessee and Miami both have/will, but the coach who lied and continued lying is living high with a slap on the wrist in Missouri, while the other will do good to get a job at Missouri Wesleyan if history is any indication.
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Funny thing about this is that Gary Parrish said this about Pearl back when it happened. Even before we knew about Miami, Parrish says that the only way you deal with the NCAA is to keep denying everything. They have to prove you lied, and you can't do it for them.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Funny thing about this is that Gary Parrish said this about Pearl back when it happened. Even before we knew about Miami, Parrish says that the only way you deal with the NCAA is to keep denying everything. They have to prove you lied, and you can't do it for them.
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And that seems to be the thesis statement for comparing the two cases in retrospect.
 
#34
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VolGee4 said:
LOL. Semantics. We are in the same business, so I know what you did there. If Haith gave three different stories, then he clearly did not tell the truth. The NCAA was scared of their own problems. Just sad.
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Possibly. It's hard to tell.
 
#35
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cncchris33 said:
I kind of agree here. Pearl really damaged his case by coming clean, even if it was the ethical thing to do (and no, I'm not implying that he confessed because it was the right thing to do). Haith simply continued to lie to cover his tracks, even changing his story several times.

Sadly, it sounds as if the moral of the story here is, unless you admit outright and the NCAA has you dead to rights as a result of your confession, you stand a reasonable chance of saving your professional career.

The school may suffer, and Tennessee and Miami both have/will, but the coach who lied and continued lying is living high with a slap on the wrist in Missouri, while the other will do good to get a job at Missouri Wesleyan if history is any indication.
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You are exactly correct. I've said before that the worst thing Pearl did was admit that he lied. For himself and UT that was worse than the lie itself.
 
#36
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MemphisCanes said:
Pearl was busted red handed lying to investigators, and he even admitted as such once the cards were on the table.

Haith gave many different stories and the NCAA decided that he was "not credible" and that they suspected he knew about several things but did not admit that. They couldn't bust him in an outright lie, though.

I can't decide whether I think the difference should matter or not.
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Yeah, but if he lied or not, the NCAA does not put in a report Haith lied to us. It's worded differently such as "not credible". Pearl admitted that he lied and his report said "not forthcoming" or something like that. Even though he lied, the NCAA report will not state that.
 
#37
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Lexvol said:
BS....

The difference is that Miami fought back. Hamilton and Cheek rolled over and lubed up.

The AA takes advantage of low hanging fruit.
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This is exactly what happened. If UT had fought back Pearl would have been given a wrist slap and would still be the coach here. That is water under the bridge and I have to believe that the Miami ruling will only help Pearl land a job next year.
 
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johnnybravo said:
Yeah, but if he lied or not, the NCAA does not put in a report Haith lied to us. It's worded differently such as "not credible". Pearl admitted that he lied and his report said "not forthcoming" or something like that. Even though he lied, the NCAA report will not state that.
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TOS site has quotes from the report and it says Haith gave multiple stories which were not credible so how you can split hairs on that is beyond me. It also says that he gave money to his assistants to give to Shapiro in order to basically keep him quiet.
 
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wtorange said:
TOS site has quotes from the report and it says Haith gave multiple stories which were not credible so how you can split hairs on that is beyond me. It also says that he gave money to his assistants to give to Shapiro in order to basically keep him quiet.
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Why don't you actually read the report rather than snippets from it on another board? Then you may see what JB is saying is true.
 
#41
#41
it is so sad that the NCAA has no back bone ,they are making fools of themselves and College sports and us fans that watch them
 
#42
#42
Interesting article.
NCAA doesn't believe they have to treat coaches fairly or equally.
 
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