Pearl, Hamilton, & Dooley

#28
#28
Hammy is set at UT. The boosters like him and that ALL that matters. He will be the AD until they dont want him any more. Why do you think he fired Phil? The boosters told him to. He will be there and some fans on a board that probably dont have season tickets to any UT sports is not going to change that. If Phil ever comes back to UT to work in any fashion the seats at any UT event will be empty. Hammy stays Book it.
 
#29
#29
Currently I do not advocate the firing of MH. He has made some really good moves in many other areas of the UTAD. However, MH used all of his goodwill with the university and trustees in trying to keep Pearl here. He thought he knew more than he did about what would happen with the AA. He is also underestimating the ability of UT to attract a proven, equally good coach. As a result I can see where he better get the next hire right and better hope that CDD gets it done or he will be toast. IMO the university will take a more active role in the search than they typically do to make sure they have it right.
 
#31
#31
bleedorange0037 said:
Nice fantasy, but the evidence shows that this just doesn't happen. On the field results tend to fall very much in line with the recruiting results. The team with the better players wins most of the time. Unfortunately, DD isn't recruiting better players than the top teams in the SEC. That's why I feel like we'll continue to be a 6-6 or 7-5 sort of team as long as he's the coach.
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Do winners find it easier to recruit or do recruiters find it easier to win?
 
#32
#32
SmokyVol said:
UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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Please, don't tell anyone that you are a Vols fan. Please.
 
#34
#34
PowerWookie said:
Gonna be the pre-season fav to win the east
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But won't, just don't believe the USC jr hype....JMO Think UGA may have the best chance this year....

We are still maybe a year or two away from being in the conversation to compete for a SEC title.. I hope this staff can coach and recruit well enough to get us back there...GBO
 
#35
#35
Big Orange Bo said:
Originally Posted by PowerWookie
Gonna be the pre-season fav to win the east

But won't, just don't believe the USC jr hype....JMO Think UGA may have the best chance this year....,
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USC is getting the hype 4 now,

if they falter (which is very conceivable)....

East is up for grabs this year 4 sur
 
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#36
#36
bleedorange0037 said:
Nice fantasy, but the evidence shows that this just doesn't happen. On the field results tend to fall very much in line with the recruiting results. The team with the better players wins most of the time. Unfortunately, DD isn't recruiting better players than the top teams in the SEC. That's why I feel like we'll continue to be a 6-6 or 7-5 sort of team as long as he's the coach.
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While this is definitely the case, the players with the little marks by their name, put there by someone who is not good enough to be a college coach or talent evaluator and thus works for a recruiting service, will not always be the best on the field. As has been shown time and time again, developing a player right will have more effect on the field than what a recruiting guys evaluation will. As far as whether or not CDD is recruiting as well as the others remains to be seen. I know he may not be by the recruiting service rankings, but only time will tell the truth. You also need to consider that our rankings are skewed due to the fact we have taken so many "big uglies" the last two years. These guys tend to not be ranked as high as WRs, RBs, QBs, etc.
 
#37
#37
SmokyVol said:
UT isn't some bastion of moral high ground. UT doesn't really care about what the rest of college athletics thinks of them.
While there may be SOME of that thinking at UT, they are more concerned with the fans showing up when they put on a game.

What someone from from another school thinks about it is way down on the priority list while the thought of going back to 5,000 fans showing up at a men's basketball game instead of 20,000-fan sellouts frightens them to death. College sports isn't about morals; it's about putting butts in the seats. I'm not saying that it's right; it's just what it is.

Some don't like Hamilton because he isn't a Tennessee guy, some don't like him because he fired Fulmer, and then there are those who see what he said in the interview as an attempt to harm the players, coaches, and program or severe incompetence at best.

Pearl is a coach who is loyal to his team and was trying to improve it even if he committed a minor infraction in that effort. The attempted coverup of that infraction as a common human failure and & he should be forgiven for just being a human being instead of some super hero.

All that being said, the best thing to keep the arena full for the next several seasons is to keep both Hamilton & Pearl. They can co-exist & be successful in what they each do.

Firing Pearl will be something that UT may not recover from for decades, just as we didn't when Mears was forced to retire. Keeping him will rally the fan base to weather the storm.

Hamilton's future needs to be tied to Dooley's success or failure. If Dooley doesn't challenge for the SEC East title this year with Florida & SC both down & with Georgia coming to Knoxville, he may not ever win it. If that hire fails, that is when Hamilton should be shown the door & replaced my someone who will hire the next football coach.
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pearl and hammy need to be shown the door. pearl has done a good job, but his attempted cover up to the ncaa is unforgivable. hammy just plain sucks don't know any other way to describe it.
 
#38
#38
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#40
#40
manfromtn said:
While this is definitely the case, the players with the little marks by their name, put there by someone who is not good enough to be a college coach or talent evaluator and thus works for a recruiting service, will not always be the best on the field. As has been shown time and time again, developing a player right will have more effect on the field than what a recruiting guys evaluation will. As far as whether or not CDD is recruiting as well as the others remains to be seen. I know he may not be by the recruiting service rankings, but only time will tell the truth. You also need to consider that our rankings are skewed due to the fact we have taken so many "big uglies" the last two years. These guys tend to not be ranked as high as WRs, RBs, QBs, etc.
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Great post... I dont really care what the star caliber of the player is i like to look at the over all ranking... Ill take a 3 star guard anyday if you tell me he's among the top 5 in the nation... Even with that there are flaws, imo there is no way to determine a good recruiting class BESIDES time...
 
#41
#41
for political purposes, hamilton will likely fire pearl but end up with a worse coach. Dooley will get at least 3 years to start showing big improvement. Year 4--hot seat. Year 5---his last year if he doesn't get it done.
 
#42
#42
I prefer to do any analysis based on facts so here goes...

1...FACT is that MH does bring in lots of $$$.
2...FACT is that part of MH's job is to oversee all the coaches of every department and to know what's going on...FAILED.
3..FACT is that MH is responsible for making sure that every program DOES comply with SEC and NCAA rules...FAILED.
4...FACT is that any good AD would NEVER say anything so disruptive that could seriously distract a team right before they play a NCAA tournement game...FAILED.

FACT is that Mike Hamilton has FAILED at doing 70% or more of the job he gets well paid to do.
Analysis...FIRE Mike hamilton NOW and hire someone that WILL do all parts of their well paid job.

1...FACT is that Bruce Pearl did come in and put UT basketball back on the national map pretty quickly.
2...FACT is that he did that mostly with players that someone else recruited.
3...FACT is that as those good players left or graduated BP hasn't recruited well enough to replace them...FAILED.
4...FACT is that CBP knew he was failing at recruiting so he willingly chose to cheat and break the rules...FAILED.
5...FACT is that he was sorry he got caught and willingly then LIED to the NCAA investigators...FAILED.
6...FACT is that only 4 days after he LIED to the NCAA he willingly went on and cheated and broke the rules again...FAILED
7...FACT is that he got himself suspended for 8 games this past season which is always a distraction and hurts the team...FAILED.
8...FACT is that during the time he was suspended the team actually played pretty well...Congrats to the assistant coaches and players.
9...FACT is that when CBP returned from being suspended the team actually played worse...FAILED.
10...FACT is that when a program is always being discredited for lying and cheating is does make it harder to recruit top players...FAILED.
11...FACT is that we made the NCAA tourney and then got blown out by 30 points which is NOT acceptable and it further made UT basketball a bigger laughing stock on national tv while the good recruits we really want and need were watching and listening to all of it...FAILED.

Analysis...Bruce Pearl should be FIRED yesterday.

VFL...GO BIG ORANGE!!!
 
#43
#43
Vol Karma said:
Let me end the suspense for you....good chance we will not challenge for the SEC East title, and guess what? It will not be Dooley's fault. Sorry but we are still a couple of years away.
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"Challenge" may be the key word their. I don't guess he expects us to win it, just be close or in the running for it come the end of the season.

If that is the case we def. have that chance.
 
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