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05_never_again said:
It depends on how much he believes his gimmick (or if his person is a gimmick at all).

In someone like Johnny Manziel's case, at least he isn't getting arrested all the time but I don't think he's actually grown up. That's who he is.

That thought has crossed my mind too. Not just what Lea thinks but what the Vandy athletic dept and boosters think. At a big football school players with egos comes with the territory. At a place like Vandy though, I'm sure some of the more academic types are like "even if it means we're better at football, I'm not sure I want guys like Pavia around."
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I think Manziel is kind of like how an addict needs to not be around other addicts or places they hang out. I think he has grown up some, but when he gets back in certain environments the old him comes out some. Case in point, in interviews and podcasts he's come across like he's grown up some and matured. But then when he was at the Vandy/Alabama game being Pavia's "representative" he was back to acting like a fool and flipping off Alabama fans and all; the old 'Johnny Football" persona came out.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I think Manziel is kind of like how an addict needs to not be around other addicts or places they hang out. I think he has grown up some, but when he gets back in certain environments the old him comes out some. Case in point, in interviews and podcasts he's come across like he's grown up some and matured. But then when he was at the Vandy/Alabama game being Pavia's "representative" he was back to acting like a fool and flipping off Alabama fans and all; the old 'Johnny Football" persona came out.
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Did you see the Netflix documentary about him from a couple of years ago? It was kind of interesting not because there was any new info (there wasn't) but how he described and talked about his college years.

I got the impression that he didn't stop acting a fool because he regretted it or found out it was a pathway to destruction, but because he got bored with it and couldn't hang anymore. He pretty clearly didn't regret any of it or look back on it with a "man, I blew a huge opportunity" attitude.
 
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VAVol85 said:
I don’t recall any of those 4 disgracing themselves and the award with profane comments about the voters. And Majors and Manning certainly had reason to complain.
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Ok, he’s a douche. Changes nothing of what he accomplished on the field, or dragging his sack across our faces in our stadium.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Well for one, Heuplel played for OU, not us so him coaching here now has nothing to do with his playing days.

But second, there's a major difference between those 4 and Pavia.....none of those were massive pricks about not winning. Manning and Majors both should have won and they would have the biggest reasons to complain but neither did. Shuler had zero chance of winning against Charlie Ward and was just happy to be there.

None of them said "eff all the voters" when they lost.
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The snowflake factor on this forum is through the roof. Nothing Pavia says compares to the fact that he drug his nut sack across our proverbial faces on November 29.
 
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WaywardVol said:
Ok, he’s a douche. Changes nothing of what he accomplished on the field, or dragging his sack across our faces in our stadium.
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He accomplished nothing...except the Reliaquest bowl and getting his felon brothers arrested 3 times and his trashy mom an onlyfans deal
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He accomplished nothing...except the Reliaquest bowl and getting his felon brothers arrested 3 times and his trashy mom an onlyfans deal
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To say he’s accomplished nothing is the height of denial and snowflake bitterness. Grown people getting their feelings hurt by the comments of a football player, because he just stomped a mud hole in their team.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Well for one, Heuplel played for OU, not us so him coaching here now has nothing to do with his playing days.

But second, there's a major difference between those 4 and Pavia.....none of those were massive pricks about not winning. Manning and Majors both should have won and they would have the biggest reasons to complain but neither did. Shuler had zero chance of winning against Charlie Ward and was just happy to be there.

None of them said "eff all the voters" when they lost.
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A bunch of us said "eff all the voters" when Manning lost. Thing is, we knew and Manning didn't have to say it, he let us. Difference is, Vandy folks not sticking up for him in that way, because he has now alienated himself by tarnishing the croissant eating, tweed car coat with elbow patches motif by which Vandy folks proudly define themselves. He basically kicked himself out of the club by trying to garner street cred in the way he was raised, which doesn't work out on West End Ave and Bell Meade. As Hunter Thompson once said - The cream rises to the top, but the scum also rises.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He accomplished nothing...except the Reliaquest bowl and getting his felon brothers arrested 3 times and his trashy mom an onlyfans deal
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Vandy had their best season since the 1920s and had the college football world talking about them for most of the season. He accomplished something.

He's a classless, trashy d-bag, yes. But that doesn't mean he didn't accomplish anything.
 
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He's accomplished nothing because he's accomplished nothing.....kid is a loser from a loser family...

you are pretending to be a UT fan so I get it, but the reality is that he will be working at a Taco Bell in six months
 
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I can see a remake of The Longest Yard coming in a few years where Pavia plays the Burt Reynolds role of the prison QB.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
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He was living on borrowed time as far as public perception anyway. We're Tennessee fans so I guess we saw it from the beginning, but he's always acted like that. It's not like that was out-of-character behavior for him. I guess it just took a high profile event like the Heisman to get enough eyeballs on it to where everybody saw it.

Based on comments I've seen, I think most of the rest of the country was under the impression he was your stereotypical underdog, put-your-head-down-and-grind guy. But he never was.
 
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05_never_again said:
He was living on borrowed time as far as public perception anyway. We're Tennessee fans so I guess we saw it from the beginning, but he's always acted like that. It's not like that was out-of-character behavior for him. I guess it just took a high profile event like the Heisman to get enough eyeballs on it to where everybody saw it.

Based on comments I've seen, I think most of the rest of the country was under the impression he was your stereotypical underdog, put-your-head-down-and-grind guy. But he never was.
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He had an opportunity to be this great story. Leading one of the all time doormats of college football to new levels. … Instead, He and his disphit brothers walk into one of the most prestigious awards receptions they will ever go to and look like some wannabe tough guys. It’s really cringeworthy looking back at the weekend at the squandered opportunity . And FFS get a suit that actually fits and doesn’t pull .
 
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