Pat Summit for AD

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AlaskaVol said:
I have a lot of respect for Fulmer and you seem to tingle at the idea of getting to criticize him. I don't know what he personally did to a few on his site, but he did a lot of good as a coach and as a man and deserves respect.
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Certainly doesn't mean he should run a huge business.

Most of us do respect him fortunately. So we see no reason to be unreasonably critical when speaking of him. I just hope he comes back as AD to drive some folks around this site nuts.
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So you prefer to annoy people than actually have a good AD?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
That's like saying that someone with 25 years of experience being one of the top brain surgeons in the world would be more qualified to design rockets for NASA than someone with no experience but was fresh out of college with a phd in physics. Success in one field doesn't necessarily translate to success in things outside your particular realm of expertise.

Also, tvolsfan makes a good point. Fulmer's recent hiring record with regards to his assistants would certainly be cause for concern. He went a long time at the end of his career without making a good hire.
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It's amazing, given the problems we've had with the AD recently, that so many people don't realize the solution may be to find a qualified AD. Instead, they want to essentially provide work for someone who can't find a job.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It's amazing, given the problems we've had with the AD recently, that so many people don't realize the solution may be to find a qualified AD. Instead, they want to essentially provide work for someone who can't find a job.
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It certainly has me scratching my head. Like I said earlier, I think the days of ex-coaches seamlessly stepping into an AD role after coaching are all but over. With each passing year college athletics turns into a bigger and bigger business, so it would seem you need someone with a background in business or marketing, etc. to fully optimize your athletic department. Hamilton has been pretty good at this side of things, but a disaster when it comes to personnel. Fulmer would be a terrible option because he has no business background, and a track record for less than stellar hires. At least Hamilton is solid in one phase of the job.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
It certainly has me scratching my head. Like I said earlier, I think the days of ex-coaches seamlessly stepping into an AD role after coaching are all but over. With each passing year college athletics turns into a bigger and bigger business, so it would seem you need someone with a background in business or marketing, etc. to fully optimize your athletic department. Hamilton has been pretty good at this side of things, but a disaster when it comes to personnel. Fulmer would be a terrible option because he has no business background, and a track record for less than stellar hires. At least Hamilton is solid in one phase of the job.
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It sounds to me like your thought process pretty well mimics mine about this. Fulmer's unwillingness to let Clawson run his own offense says enough to me about what his willingness, or lack of, to bring in coaches and let them run things as they see fit would be. I respect Fulmer for the success he brought to the program and all he has done for the university, but in no way do I want to see him set foot on campus running the athletic department. I'd rather let Dooley run the AD and football program before that happens. At least he's got experience at it.

Your NASA v. Brain Surgeon was also a much better example than what I was going to throw out there. :thumbsup:
 
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I am not quite as in on much of what goes on up in Knoxville as compared to many of you, but I think I can share my two cents. Having been involved in sports for much of my life, having coached various high school sports, and currently pursuing my sports management degree (it's more of the business end of sport) I can say that drawing from my own experiences, being involved at the business/administrative end is a totally different animal to being at the coaching end of things. I would say that one does not necessarily translate to the other. I have to ask, just because an Athletic Director has been very successful at a university, does that mean said director would also be a successful coach? No. In my experience the role of any administrator is as the name says, administration and focuses more on oversight and budgets. I seriously doubt that Phil Fulmer or Pat Summit would make successful AD's as compared to somebody with real on the job experience.
 
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And now for something completely different.

May we get back to debating Pat's qualifications as AD?

I would say no, but she has a lot of admirable qualities. My preference would be to get someone who has already proven themselves in a similar role. I know Foley @ UF is a dream, but there have to be some good AD's out there.

In ten years we might want a guy named Dooley.
 
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gutterbust said:
I am not quite as in on much of what goes on up in Knoxville as compared to many of you, but I think I can share my two cents. Having been involved in sports for much of my life, having coached various high school sports, and currently pursuing my sports management degree (it's more of the business end of sport) I can say that drawing from my own experiences, being involved at the business/administrative end is a totally different animal to being at the coaching end of things. I would say that one does not necessarily translate to the other. I have to ask, just because an Athletic Director has been very successful at a university, does that mean said director would also be a successful coach? No. In my experience the role of any administrator is as the name says, administration and focuses more on oversight and budgets. I seriously doubt that Phil Fulmer or Pat Summit would make successful AD's as compared to somebody with real on the job experience.
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Great post. I think what you said there pretty succinctly sums up the reasons that some of us don't want to see a former coach that doesn't also have the business/management experience wearing the Athletic Director's hat.
 
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The MD and now NC state AD is a woman and is said to be a good AD. I for one think a woman could be a good AD and don't pretend to know Pat well enough to know if she possesses those qualities. What I do know though is that I'd prefer my legends to stay legends at what they were good at and not go around trying crap and potentially messing up that image. Also I agree my assumption is she might be too rigid for the give and take of the position but that's not based on anything other than her scowl.
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gutterbust said:
I am not quite as in on much of what goes on up in Knoxville as compared to many of you, but I think I can share my two cents. Having been involved in sports for much of my life, having coached various high school sports, and currently pursuing my sports management degree (it's more of the business end of sport) I can say that drawing from my own experiences, being involved at the business/administrative end is a totally different animal to being at the coaching end of things. I would say that one does not necessarily translate to the other. I have to ask, just because an Athletic Director has been very successful at a university, does that mean said director would also be a successful coach? No. In my experience the role of any administrator is as the name says, administration and focuses more on oversight and budgets. I seriously doubt that Phil Fulmer or Pat Summit would make successful AD's as compared to somebody with real on the job experience.
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This may be the best point raised in this thread so far. Would we want Mike Hamilton coaching any of our athletic teams? Obviously not. So why would any of us want former coaches running the athletic dpeartment? The positions are two totally different jobs for two totally different skillsets.
 
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Pat could absolutely do the job, but I doubt she would ever want it. When she's done coaching, my bet is she walks away into much deserved retirement. For those who question if she could command the respect of boosters, you've obviously never met her. I only met her in passing, but the woman definately commands respect. Hell, Bobby Knight respects her, that in itself says something. As far as the business end of things, Pat's smart enough to learn it and to surround herself with quality, experienced personnel while she learns it. She could do it, I just seriously doubt she would want to play the political games required.
 
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Weezer said:
Pat could absolutely do the job, but I doubt she would ever want it. When she's done coaching, my bet is she walks away into much deserved retirement. For those who question if she could command the respect of boosters, you've obviously never met her. I only met her in passing, but the woman definately commands respect. Hell, Bobby Knight respects her, that in itself says something. As far as the business end of things, Pat's smart enough to learn it and to surround herself with quality, experienced personnel while she learns it. She could do it, I just seriously doubt she would want to play the political games required.
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Dead on. She could ... she won't.

That said, I'm ready to support any choice that isn't "Summer's Eve" Hamilton.
 
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I like Pat but I don't know if she's cut out to be an AD. Being a good AD requires qualities beyond that of a coach. You have to rub elbows and shmooz and bring in the money. I'm not sure if Pat would be good at that or would want to do that.
 
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Could someone who thinks she would be a successful AD please provide some examples of what makes her qualified to be the Athletic Director?

Didn't she say that Buzz Peterson should get more time? I think that's enough to disqualify her immediately.
 
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Tux said:
We have some fans who are dumber than the Bama dolt who poisoned the trees. Why does anyone think that you have to name a coach or former coach to a high position? There is a reason why most schools' athletic departments run in red ink and why Tennessee keeps it in the black. It is because our AD is a businessman first and foremost.
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In fairness to the suggestion for Pat Summit for AD, the fact that the Lady Vols run a break even program is a huge reason for teh UT AD keeping it in the black. Most Women's baseketball programs are financial sink holes.
 
#93
#93
Yes. Separate departments. I don't think Pat would consider doing anything other than what she is doing now.
 
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