Pat Riley vs Phil Jackson

#34
#34
865dude said:
How many heat fans even know that Pat coached the lakers?
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Fair question. Most Heat "fans" couldn't name half of their roster though so. And on topic I'd take Phil to coach the above listed team but Riley in general.
 
#43
#43
BadJerry20 said:
That part is true too, Mullin could shoot and that was it. He was terrible on D, bad handle, ok passer, bad rebounder, wasn't going to lead a team anywhere. In the RUN-TMC years he was the third best player on the team. Put Mullin in Zekes place on that Pistons team and the don't win the championship.
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Say all that is true, it was still 1992, bro. Zeke was terrible by then. Again, it's an all-star team...there is always room for a wing who shoots 38% from 3 on a team with Magic, Stockton, Robinson, and Ewing. I don't know why you would want a ballhog PG who doesn't score efficiently on a team like this. Again, that was the downfall of the 2004 squad.
 
#44
#44
n_huffhines said:
Say all that is true, it was still 1992, bro. Zeke was terrible by then. Again, it's an all-star team...there is always room for a wing who shoots 38% from 3 on a team with Magic, Stockton, Robinson, and Ewing. I don't know why you would want a ballhog PG who doesn't score efficiently on a team like this. Again, that was the downfall of the 2004 squad.
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With that thought process Larry shouldn't have been there. Zeke didn't have to play a lot, they had Stockton and Magic. Should have gotten the lifetime nod like Bird. It was a joke honestly.

The downfall of that 2004 team was 2 things. Talent, Boozer, Okafor (neither are Olympic style players) and Richard Jefferson. And coaching, not playing Wade, LBJ and Melo more. Trying to put it all on A.I. and Steph is silly.
 
#45
#45
Okafor barely saw the floor (think Laettner or Anthony Davis). Boozer shot 63%. I agree that Jefferson was bad, but nowhere near impactful enough for him to really matter that much. Wade and Melo were pretty bad when they did play. I agree that the roster wasn't as good as most years, but it was still the best roster in the world so no excuses. With a pass first PG like Chris Paul or John Stockton or Jason Kidd I would bet a lot of money that they would have won gold and that the supporting cast would have played better.
 
#47
#47
n_huffhines said:
Okafor barely saw the floor (think Laettner or Anthony Davis). Boozer shot 63%. I agree that Jefferson was bad, but nowhere near impactful enough for him to really matter that much. Wade and Melo were pretty bad when they did play. I agree that the roster wasn't as good as most years, but it was still the best roster in the world so no excuses. With a pass first PG like Chris Paul or John Stockton or Jason Kidd I would bet a lot of money that they would have won gold and that the supporting cast would have played better.
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My point on the guys I named is, other guys should have been taken in their place. Boozer can shoot 63% but he a terrible defensive match up against Euro style bigs. Stockton was retired and Paul was a freshman so they weren't options. Kidd I want to say played 60 games or so and was banged up and decided not to play. Also I'd take my chances at letting Wade and Melo play in hopes that played better, vs who played. Poor coaching decisions everywhere on that team.

Edit: A.I. and Steph were the leading scorers on that team so it's easy to blame them. But they team was so flawed it isn't even funny. Also as I said Zeke wouldn't have been in that role, and the original dream team would have won with most anyone at the point.
 
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#48
#48
It's easy to blame AI and Marbury cause they took the most shots and Iverson shot 38% and Marbury 42%. There is nothing more to say.

I don't buy Euro style bigs giving Boozer trouble. If they are so hard to guard why don't they play in the NBA? He did pretty well in that league.

I wasn't saying to actually put Stockton on that team, I was just trying to illustrate a point. I was saying pass-first guys will always give you a better chance to win with an all-star team.
 
#49
#49
n_huffhines said:
It's easy to blame AI and Marbury cause they took the most shots and Iverson shot 38% and Marbury 42%. There is nothing more to say.

I don't buy Euro style bigs giving Boozer trouble. If they are so hard to guard why don't they play in the NBA? He did pretty well in that league.

I wasn't saying to actually put Stockton on that team, I was just trying to illustrate a point. I was saying pass-first guys will always give you a better chance to win with an all-star team.
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You can easily blame the coaching staff, and those that selected the guys on the team.

You don't have to buy it, there is a reason they don't take guys like Boozer anymore. Chandler and Davis are athletic bigs that can run the floor, the international game is different than the NBA game.

Why bring up those guys then? You have to replace A.I. and Marbury with guys that were actually playing in the NBA at the time. So bringing up Stockton and Paul makes absolutely no sense.
 
#50
#50
I'm not trying to talk about replacements for the 2004 team, I'm trying to explain why you should prefer a pass-first PG.

That being said I would have taken Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, Chauncey Billups, Mike Bibby, Sam Cassell and even old ass Gary Payton over AI and Starbury. AI and Marbury weren't bad players, they just went full retard in the olympics.
 
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