Partly agree with Trump on Harvard $

[lawgator1]

Two explanations have been given for freezing billions in grants to Harvard: 1) they have plenty of money; and 2) its to tag them as antisemitic given the protests last year.

I think # 1 is a legitimate point, aside from whatever technicalities may be there as to how it got appropriated. Seems to me like a fair point that it is something we might cut to save some taxpayer dollars. I would not want it to go too far because there may be some institutions that genuinely need it and its worthwhile.

#2 is bogus because, in addition to the Gaza protests issue, the administration is asking for them to drop DEI or basically affirmative action in admissions and hiring. That is a rabbit hole down which there is no point in going, and has nothing to do with the protests.

 

[LouderVol]

I think its worth looking at what the money is going towards. if its literally just giving them money, heck no. but if the money is going to some program that actually provides a value to the US government/people then I am fine paying them for that.

Harvard having a DEI program is fine as long as its self funded. they are a private institution and can do what they want. but if they are using government dollars to make that happen, then yeah cut off the funds. Any of the upper crust schools shouldn't be funding their charity programs with government dollars. its not like harvard was set up to provide people with no other higher education a place to go. if it wants to be seen as prestigious it needs to work to maintain that.

 

[dalton_vol]

Why do these schools need tax money. They have endowments larger than many countries' GDP

 

[Jxn Vol]

Thank you for starting a thread to voice your opinion.

Every single poster on here was waiting on you to chime in on this.

Narcissism is a disease

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Thank you for starting a thread to voice your opinion.

Every single poster on here was waiting on you to chime in on this.

Narcissism is a disease

He actually made a good point. Why bash him?

 

[EasternVol]

Why do these schools need tax money. They have endowments larger than many countries' GDP

I've read that a lot of the money's for research. I'm not sure how the returns on that research are passed back though.

 

[n_huffhines]

IDK what makes up the $2B. I imagine a lot of it is good research, but anything beyond that I'm wondering WTF we give them any money?

A true conservative POTUS who cared about limiting the powers of the presidency would not be trying to attach strings these arrangements in order to strong-arm partisan political objectives. Will be so fun to see [insert lib name here] try this same move, won't it?

And a true conservative POTUS would be looking to reduce that $2B, not for political reasons, but because of waste.

WTF are we doing here? This admin is such a joke.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

IDK what makes up the $2B. I imagine a lot of it is good research, but anything beyond that I'm wondering WTF we give them any money?

A true conservative POTUS who cared about limiting the powers of the presidency would not be trying to attach strings these arrangements in order to strong-arm partisan political objectives. Will be so fun to see [insert lib name here] try this same move, won't it?

And a true conservative POTUS would be looking to reduce that $2B, not for political reasons, but because of waste.

WTF are we doing here? This admin is such a joke.

I recall hearing the other day that Harvard brings in fiddy five billion a year on their own. I doubt they really need GOVT money.

 

[Firebirdparts]

On Point 1, they definitely have plenty of money. I have no idea how good they are at doing research, but if you want research done FOR YOU then you gotta pay. It's work. We were warned about this by Eisenhower, so it's not new. It's not a gift.

The money given to NGO's is a gift. They are clearly not producing anything of value and they don't intend to try to trick anybody.

Now, on the other hand, I don't presume any of that money is just a gift, but I do think a billion dollars is still a thousand millions. That is true no matter how many people think the government should give away billions. The people who are capable of processing that kind of money could not possibly be efficient. It's just too much money.

 

[LouderVol]

someone asked in another thread and it was a good question. How does the government paying Harvard for the research work?

Does the US government go to Harvard and say, here is something we need you to research, here is the money.
or does Harvard send the government a list of projects that needing funding thru some sort of grant application process?
what happens if they are successful? Like the government pays harvard 100 million dollars to invent the longer lasting light bulb. Does the US government then own that light bulb and data at the end that they then sell to the market?

 

[n_huffhines]

I recall hearing the other day that Harvard brings in fiddy five billion a year on their own. I doubt they really need GOVT money.

Yeah, but if it's a matter of research that would otherwise go unfunded, then it would make sense for the government to fund it. Just because they have $55B doesn't mean they are going to spend $0.01 funding research outside of professor salary.

 

[n_huffhines]

someone asked in another thread and it was a good question. How does the government paying Harvard for the research work?

Does the US government go to Harvard and say, here is something we need you to research, here is the money.
or does Harvard send the government a list of projects that needing funding thru some sort of grant application process?
what happens if they are successful? Like the government pays harvard 100 million dollars to invent the longer lasting light bulb. Does the US government then own that light bulb and data at the end that they then sell to the market?

I plugged your quote into ChatGPT

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Thank you for starting a thread to voice your opinion.

Every single poster on here was waiting on you to chime in on this.

Narcissism is a disease

Didn't you vote for Trump?

And you're worried about LG's narcissism?

That's even funnier than you claiming you were better at your job than Rick Barnes is at his job

 

[Vol8188]

Two explanations have been given for freezing billions in grants to Harvard: 1) they have plenty of money; and 2) its to tag them as antisemitic given the protests last year.

I think # 1 is a legitimate point, aside from whatever technicalities may be there as to how it got appropriated. Seems to me like a fair point that it is something we might cut to save some taxpayer dollars. I would not want it to go too far because there may be some institutions that genuinely need it and its worthwhile.

#2 is bogus because, in addition to the Gaza protests issue, the administration is asking for them to drop DEI or basically affirmative action in admissions and hiring. That is a rabbit hole down which there is no point in going, and has nothing to do with the protests.

Even if you disagree with going there, it’s a perfectly legal rabbit hole and one I don’t think you would mind if the role was reversed.

 

[dalton_vol]

I've read that a lot of the money's for research. I'm not sure how the returns on that research are passed back though.

I wonder if it's pattens

 

[Jxn Vol]

Didn't you vote for Trump?

And you're worried about LG's narcissism?

That's even funnier than you claiming you were better at your job than Rick Barnes is at his job

Yawn. Sorry about that micro penis thing.

 

[Jxn Vol]

He actually made a good point. Why bash him?

He is a loser

 

[vol66]

1. The vast majority if not all of the federal dollars, Harvard and other institutions receive are for research that go directly back in to society. Research on cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, dementia, autism, etc…off the top of my head, I’d leave stuff out which is a disservice. It’s not only happening in the Ivy.

2. Michigan State voted last night, for a compact between the rest of the conference schools that if the govt. comes after one they come after alll.

3. We don’t have as many research schools in the SEC, but Vanderbilt might be very interested in that protection and Tennessee might be interested in protecting their relationship with ORNL.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I recall hearing the other day that Harvard brings in fiddy five billion a year on their own. I doubt they really need GOVT money.

But they'd be stupid not to ask for it and take it if the gov gives it

 

[lawgator1]

1. The vast majority if not all of the federal dollars, Harvard and other institutions receive are for research that go directly back in to society. Research on cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, dementia, autism, etc…off the top of my head, I’d leave stuff out which is a disservice. It’s not only happening in the Ivy.

2. Michigan State voted last night, for a compact between the rest of the conference schools that if the govt. comes after one they come after alll.

3. We don’t have as many research schools in the SEC, but Vanderbilt might be very interested in that protection and Tennessee might be interested in protecting their relationship with ORNL.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

As usual, because Harvard has fought back, the Trump administration has upped its retaliation, yanking tax exempt status, threatening to pull visas for faculty and students. There's just no sense of moderation with this administration so personally I'm rooting for Harvard in this battle to embarrass Trump as much as possible.

 

[midnight orange]

I view Harvard as a branch of the federal government. One of its main responsibilities along with the other Ivies and Ivy adjacent schools (Stanford, MIT, U of Chicago, etc) is as an incubator for the elite. There is a fissure among the elite and this is probably Trump just shooting an arrow across the bow. There is no such thing as only private or public institutions. Hiilsdale College is the exception that proves the rule.