Palin: Let's Merge The Tea Party And GOP

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#77
So 'dunce' Palin reads off her hand but the 'smartest President' we've ever had relies on a teleprompter even at a speech at a school...are we seriously bringing this up as an issue? If we're seriously making an issue of reading off a hand for bullet points one time, what does this mean for Obama's intelligence who cannot make any major speech without reliance on this as well?
 
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I normally don't care about these things, but Sarah Palin annoys me, so I like caring about this with her. She has knocked on Obama several times for his over-use of the teleprompter, and then she comes out with the outline for her response to 'What are the top things you would focus on as President' written on her hand.

It falls so in line with the Palin-is-an-idiot mantra that I have to believe it's not real...but it seems like it is.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So 'dunce' Palin reads off her hand but the 'smartest President' we've ever had relies on a teleprompter even at a speech at a school...are we seriously bringing this up as an issue? If we're seriously making an issue of reading off a hand for bullet points one time, what does this mean for Obama's intelligence who cannot make any major speech without reliance on this as well?
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It's a transparency thing, to me. If you use a teleprompter, it's obvious you are doing it. If you make fun of someone for using a teleprompter and then write a cheat sheet on your hand, that's political failure.

I think Obama's over-use of a teleprompter is ridiculous, but considering Palin's already fairly-earned reputation for having a good shot of gaining a supporting role in the 'Ringer, Part 2', it isn't an insignificant event. More fuel on the fire, IMO.
 
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OK. One time instance recorded that this happened. Again, are we looking at numbers here? Give me a dozen more instances of this and we might have something. Taking one instance and saying "see, see!" is a stretch. I think when the score is 300 to 1, it's hard to compare the two. Again, if the logic is applied to the other side, then this match is lopsided and makes Barry look even more the fool. If 'dunce' Palin makes one interview reading off her hand, Barry looks so far below her it is not even funny. The argument is skill and intelligence. If it is "oh we know Sarah's not the brightest" we excuse this as that. If that same logic is applied to Obama, what is the reason?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
OK. One time instance recorded that this happened. Again, are we looking at numbers here? Give me a dozen more instances of this and we might have something. Taking one instance and saying "see, see!" is a stretch. I think when the score is 300 to 1, it's hard to compare the two. Again, if the logic is applied to the other side, then this match is lopsided and makes Barry look even more the fool. If 'dunce' Palin makes one interview reading off her hand, Barry looks so far below her it is not even funny. The argument is skill and intelligence. If it is "oh we know Sarah's not the brightest" we excuse this as that. If that same logic is applied to Obama, what is the reason?
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You are looking at this at the wrong level. Its not her checking out her crib notes 300 times that's the issue. Its that it is the 300th time she has done something to confirm that she is an insipid know-nothing.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
OK. One time instance recorded that this happened. Again, are we looking at numbers here? Give me a dozen more instances of this and we might have something. Taking one instance and saying "see, see!" is a stretch. I think when the score is 300 to 1, it's hard to compare the two. Again, if the logic is applied to the other side, then this match is lopsided and makes Barry look even more the fool. If 'dunce' Palin makes one interview reading off her hand, Barry looks so far below her it is not even funny. The argument is skill and intelligence. If it is "oh we know Sarah's not the brightest" we excuse this as that. If that same logic is applied to Obama, what is the reason?
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I'm not sure if will be viewed logically, first of all. Political arguments are rarely logical, and instead tend to be based upon pre-conceived notions of what is right.

But, assuming that it is viewed logically, I can personally see a difference. Obama teleprompts speeches, whole speeches. Palin had to write the three things she would focus on first as President on her hand. Option two is the bigger political no-no...if you basically have to remind yourself of your platform with a cheat sheet to read during a Q&A, then you may want to reconsider why you are running.

Regardless, I see it more as this:

Palin already has a stigma that Obama (unfairly or not) doesn't have and this event plays into that.

Palin apparently likes to make fun of people for using a teleprompter for an entire speech, yet finds it reasonable to write a cheat sheet for her Presidential platform on her hand. Sounds like a bit of a double standard.

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With that said, I don't really want to argue the Palin/Obama thing as much as I want events like this to ensure that Palin never sees the nomination. I would rather make the Palin/xyz Republican candidate argument.
 
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I could only listen to her interview on Fox News Sunday, did she use palm notes then? If not, then I think TT is reading far more into this than what is necessary. Of course, someone who doesn't like Palin is going to view "palmgate" as a more serious event than what it really is.

Perhaps she shouldn't have used her palm, but a lot of people use note cards when giving a speech, especially when they write their own and don't have the benefit of a teleprompter.
 
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TennTradition said:
It's a transparency thing, to me. If you use a teleprompter, it's obvious you are doing it. If you make fun of someone for using a teleprompter and then write a cheat sheet on your hand, that's political failure.
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so having a few bullet points on your hand is equal to reading every speech in its entirety off a teleprompter? But she should be proud at being compared to the greatest speaker this country has ever known.
 
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MG1968 said:
I could only listen to her interview on Fox News Sunday, did she use palm notes then? If not, then I think TT is reading far more into this than what is necessary. Of course, someone who doesn't like Palin is going to view "palmgate" as a more serious event than what it really is.

Perhaps she shouldn't have used her palm, but a lot of people use note cards when giving a speech, especially when they write their own and don't have the benefit of a teleprompter.
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People use note cards for lengthy speeches, not to remind themselves of what their basic platform would be for POTUS, or the like.

I mean, one can envision her having had a meeting with soem advisers pressing her to say it "like this" and she writes it down to make sure she's right. Then she actually looks at it on camera, oblivious to the fact that she's going to get caught.

Not sure which part of that act is dumber: the need to write it down, or getting caught reading it.
 
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MG1968 said:
I could only listen to her interview on Fox News Sunday, did she use palm notes then? If not, then I think TT is reading far more into this than what is necessary. Of course, someone who doesn't like Palin is going to view "palmgate" as a more serious event than what it really is.

Perhaps she shouldn't have used her palm, but a lot of people use note cards when giving a speech, especially when they write their own and don't have the benefit of a teleprompter.
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Correct....and vice versa.
 
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lawgator1 said:
People use note cards for lengthy speeches, not to remind themselves of what their basic platform would be for POTUS, or the like.

I mean, one can envision her having had a meeting with soem advisers pressing her to say it "like this" and she writes it down to make sure she's right. Then she actually looks at it on camera, oblivious to the fact that she's going to get caught.

Not sure which part of that act is dumber: the need to write it down, or getting caught reading it.
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Which is dumber, studying the New Deal and not see it's failures, or studying the New Deal, ignoring it's failures and retrying them using 1000x the money?
 
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MG1968 said:
Which is dumber, studying the New Deal and not see it's failures, or studying the New Deal, ignoring it's failures and retrying them using 1000x the money?
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don't be ridiculous. The New Deal was Keynesian - how could it have failures?
 
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You Betcha!? Palin Campaigns For Rick Perry? Writes ?Hi Mom? On Her Hand - Big Government

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of course, LG and others will view "Hi, Mom" as a racist slur against Obama. The dummies at Democrat Underground were in their usual irrational froth.
 
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MG1968 said:
The dummies at Democrat Underground were in their usual irrational froth.
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I don't know how you can take that place, you're a very patient person. Five minutes of reading there, or the Daily Kos or HuffPo and I find myself wanting to flee deep into the jungles of New Guinea. Probably safer living with headhunters than w/ some of those delusional muppets.
 
#93
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The argument can also be made to whether she will do this as POTUS? Would she have classified info written on her hand as she is stepping out to the podium?
 
#94
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Let's put it this way. If the Republicans do not put up a viable alternative - say one who is a conservative - we may be finding out the answers to these questions.
 
#95
#95
Someone said she lost McCain the presidency. Actually it wouldn't have mattered if McCain figured out how to reanimate Reagan's corpse and have him as a running mate, his suspension of his campaign to vote for a bill that America at large was opposed to was what killed him. His numbers started to really decline after that. Yes, I know Obama did that as well, but I think most people had the expectation that he would but held McCain to a tougher standard since by practice a Republican "should" oppose something like that. The problem is... the Republicans are hardly practicing what they claim to preach here lately.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
The problem is... the Republicans are hardly practicing what they claim to preach here lately.
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Lately? Even most of the so-called champions of conservatism have their fingerprints all over big government, more useless spending, special interest ties, etc.
 
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Well to me Lately is the last decade where the have really been off path. They weren't that bad as far as fiscal responsibility goes in the 90's. I am going to avoid the special interests thing because anyone that gives a donation to a candidate can be twisted as such... Not that I am disagreeing with you at all, but that's like calling a Used Car Salesman a tad shady...
 
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The 90's were passive because Congress was more focused on Clinton investigations. Now that I think of it, that might be the better way to go. If Congress spends more time on scandals and investigations, they won't have time to screw things up more....hmmm....
 
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People like Sarah Palin because she isn't a "Hollywood" or "New England" type, whatever the hell that means. They like her even more when she screws up, because it makes them feel like she's even more "in touch" with "real Americans", whatever the hell that means.

And she resigned as governor so she wouldn't have a track record to hold against her, and wouldn't be seen as a "Washington Insider", whatever the hell that means.

Anyone who doesn't believe she is setting up for a presidential run is extremely naive, and anyone who doesn't think she could actually win(the nomination) as long she keeps being called "a frontrunner" by news(making) organizations is fooling themselves. Although I think she'd have a nearly impossible task in being competitive among normal Iowa and New Hampshire primary voters, she's guaranteed the Puritan vote... and a crowded field could see her through to the Huckabee states where she'd win in a landslide.

Of course, if all this happens... even a weak Obama would trounce her like she was Dukakis(perhaps George Wallace is a better reference) when the other 70% of the country gets to vote. Not to mention, there'd be a very good chance of a Ron Paul esque libertarian(eg: not Tea Partier/Social Conservative in a Libertarian suit) running on a 3rd party ticket with the intention of ruining her campaign.

The teleprompter stuff is very amusing, but I can't begin to envision a scenario where she wouldn't get massacred in a direct debate with Obama after watching her struggle with Joe Biden.

Funny thing is, Obama has over 2.5 years to "fix" our problems. Right now, as bad as things are... the situation will almost inevitably be better... and just like every incumbent is being blamed now, they'll likely end up reaping the credit by then(no matter what they do).
 
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