Pakistan.

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#26
Is this the same Pakistan Obama praised last night in joint efforts of U.S. and Pakistani intelligence?
 
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#27
Yup, but you have to know he's gotta say it that way last night. What we do from here is up to us.

Last night, he had to follow the script. The script is based on maintaining diplomacy.
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#29
There's no way they didn't know. He was literally in right in the middle of their country.
 
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#31
Pakistans nukes are broken apart in two and are also kept separate from their delivery systems
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Pakistans nukes are broken apart in two and are also kept separate from their delivery systems
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Really? What about India's? I thought they had a bit of a stand-off.

If the most wanted man in the world can hide out right next to Pakistan's military base for years in a mansion that probably stands out just a bit, how much should we trust Pakistan to properly safeguard their nuclear material from terrorists. Building the bomb isn't the hard part, getting weapons grade Plutonium or Uranium is. The bomb can be built given time. eh.. After some reading, everything says it's safe, but given this, I'm not sure I could trust Pakistan anymore than I could trust Iran.
 
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Those billions we give them come with strings attached. We know what they have and where
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TXVOL07 said:
Looking at a very small an insignificant portion of this whole episode, I'm drawn to a simple undeniable fact. That craptastic "Mansion" that cost a million bucks is/was considered an abnormal structure in that region.

To put it plainly, something that "elaborate" stood out, or at least should have.

WTF do those D-bags in the Pakistani govt have to say about that?
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That's what I dont understand.
Someone builds a fort, with 12 ft high cement walls and barbed wire along the top, and nobody asks who is building this?
Apparently you don't need building permits in Pakistan.

Maybe Bin Laden wanted everyone to think it was part of a military installation for the nearby military training academy,
but obviously the military knew it wasn't. How could they have never asked questions?
 
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Wonder what the code name for the operation was??

Justice Finally Comes To Osama Bin Laden, American-Style Start Thinking Right

Let me assure you, what those spec op warriors just did in their raid on that compound in Pakistan was an in-your-face provocation.

What’s the long-term effect of this degraded relationship with Pakistan going to be? I have no idea. But any liberal who wants to tell me that “cooperative” liberal policies are working where ”confrontational” conservative ones have failed is simply an imbecile.

Because what just happened clearly proves the exact opposite. And when you consider the fact that Obama has already pursued Bush’s policies on Guantanamo Bay, rendition, domestic eavesdropping, the Patriot Act, military tribunals, indefinite detentions and a host of other polices, George Bush and Dick Cheney stand as men proven correct.
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My guess is that some of the top Pakistani generals are going to be splitting up $25 million although the intel supposedly came from gitmo, ironically probably because of the Bush program of waterboarding that Holder was going to prosecute him for.

BTW, Holder hasn't opened his mouth yet, no statement, not a peep.

Whatever, the Pakistani government can't let it be publicly known that they were aware at all because there might be widespread rioting and a toppling of the government as we saw in Tripoli and Egypt and in a half dozen other moslem countries where the governments are fighting to stay in power.

The Pak Military Academy is only a 100 yds from the Osama compound and is their equivelent of West Point and I wouldn't badmouth Musharaff too much myself, he did more to westernize Pakistan than most anyone else.

Except for him we might have a Pakistan not unlike North Korea and as a matter of fact Pakistan did trade nuclear technology for North Korean missile technology and who was responsible for ending that?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Those billions we give them come with strings attached. We know what they have and where
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Trust is a pretty big word in that region, especially with widespread belief in the metaphysics of martydom.
 
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My personal opinion is that certainly some people knew of his location, and most likely some Pakistani intelligence officers knew of it. However, to say that everyone should've known he was there because it was a large compound with high walls is a little far-fetched to me.

This seems to be an incredible work of intelligence. I give credit to Obama for giving the go-ahead. I give credit to the Bush administration for the intelligence obtained during their time. But, the real work was done by the people who will get no credit for this, and we should be thankful for those individuals who put their lives on the line without a political stake in the outcome.
 
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#41
Drop this to send a message

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IPorange said:
Pakistan has nothing to ***** about. He was there, near their capital, above ground. Give me a break.
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vol4eva said:
What really cracks me up is there's a military base right down the road from where Bin Laden had been living for some time now. Their military can't possibly be that inept.
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rjd970 said:
Exactly.

...not only that, but he was in a house 6 times bigger than any other, gated, right down the road from their version of West Point. The whole thing stinks IMO.
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NEOCON said:
In a million dollar compound located within a poor area.
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oklavol said:
That's what I dont understand.
Someone builds a fort, with 12 ft high cement walls and barbed wire along the top, and nobody asks who is building this?
Apparently you don't need building permits in Pakistan.

Maybe Bin Laden wanted everyone to think it was part of a military installation for the nearby military training academy,
but obviously the military knew it wasn't. How could they have never asked questions?
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John Brennan stated this moring on Morning Joe that it is believed Bin Laden has lived there 6 years.

Six years living within walking distance of the military traing academy in a compund that everyone would ask "who lives there" and the military has no clue.
 
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#46
I think we've all come to the conclusion that the Pakistan Intelligence Community is considerably lacking in integrity, capabilities, and willingness to cooperate.

My question, is and remains, what should we do regarding them from here out. I've still yet to be convinced its a relationship worth saving. No need to bomb em', but no need to help them either IMO.
 
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#48
Only read the OP. Cut off ALL billions of dollars in funding. Tell 'em to go **** themselves, they're on their own.
 
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