Pac12 job, eh?? One of those comfort jobs! Fit right in!

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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Pretty sure his contract is like Dooley's with a guaranteed buyout.

But....if he gets the job and brings on some of his un-hired assistant coaches like: Hoke, Wells, Rock, Beard, then that would help reduce our buyout costs significantly.
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Butch had a mitigation clause in his contract.
 
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It didn't work out well with us, that being said Butch is a good man and I hope he gets another chance. Character, hard work, and integrity should count for something.

Hopefully he will take his trash can with him. We are losing that damn thing right?
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
If Jones is hired it would be the biggest news shock of the year, possibly the last five years, including Trump. He has proven himself to be that bad.
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So two 9-4 seasons mean nothing?? Charlie Strong never had a winning season at Texas and found a HC job.

Jones proved to be a good recruiter. His failure, IMO, is with the coaching staff. As he started to change the staff he ended up with a staff that was not in sync with each other.

Sometimes it is not about whether a coach is the "best" coach at a position, but whether the coaching staff as a whole is on the same page.
 
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volfan102455 said:
So two 9-4 seasons mean nothing?? Charlie Strong never had a winning season at Texas and found a HC job.

Jones proved to be a good recruiter. His failure, IMO, is with the coaching staff. As he started to change the staff he ended up with a staff that was not in sync with each other.

Sometimes it is not about whether a coach is the "best" coach at a position, but whether the coaching staff as a whole is on the same page.
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Jones was a slightly above average recruiter. Pruitt is showing what a good recruiter looks like.

Plus considering that first 9-4 season should of been at least an 11 win season with a chance at a championship, and the 2nd one fell way below expectations, yeah they shouldn't mean much. Both were let downs.
 
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Personally, I would like to see Butch as the Arizona head football coach. I believe he would be an easy transition since he and RichRod basically ran the same offense. Also, it does not hurt having previously worked with and won under the AD. Seems like a natural fit to me.

The only two concerns I would have are:

(1) can Butch recruit good players there (I believe he can)

(2) can Butch put together a staff and keep that same staff together (I don't know about this one).

My two problems with Butch while he was at UT were (1) too many staff changes and (2) hiring coaches who were better at recruiting than coaching (player development). Butch hired recruiters that tried to coach.....I believe this strategy would work in any conference other than the SEC.
 
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UTK said:
Jones was a slightly above average recruiter. Pruitt is showing what a good recruiter looks like.

Plus considering that first 9-4 season should of been at least an 11 win season with a chance at a championship, and the 2nd one fell way below expectations, yeah they shouldn't mean much. Both were let downs.
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Seriously? Last time I checked Tennessee was last maybe 13th in the SEC in recruiting right now. Yes that will more than likely get better with the later signing period. But at this point Pruitt is NOT looking like any better of a recruiter than Jones was. It is NOT the offers that count but the ones that sign.

There is also no way to tell how good or bad these recruits really are. That will not be known until this time next year.

And by your rationale the only coach in college football that would be consistent enough to be labeled as good is Saban. He is the only coach that has not lost a game he should have won in the past few years.
 
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eskimovol said:
BS, we got turned down by higher coaches. You are the first I have ever seen make that claim.
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Selective reading, I see. The point was you people who just spew venom about a coach who tried to, and to an extent raise UT above being perpetual losers. Basically, kicking the man while he's down. By all means continue to represent Vol-dom this way. Because,well, we know how much you like the stuff.
 

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volfan102455 said:
Seriously? Last time I checked Tennessee was last maybe 13th in the SEC in recruiting right now. Yes that will more than likely get better with the later signing period. But at this point Pruitt is NOT looking like any better of a recruiter than Jones was. It is NOT the offers that count but the ones that sign.

There is also no way to tell how good or bad these recruits really are. That will not be known until this time next year.

And by your rationale the only coach in college football that would be consistent enough to be labeled as good is Saban. He is the only coach that has not lost a game he should have won in the past few years.
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I think the problem is you are not up to date on your facts. We are currently 7th in the SEC, not 13th. And USCjr is only ahead of us because they have more total recruits than we do. We should overtake them.

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While I am a glass half empty type of guy, let's not make it out to be worse than it is.

With the wait on firing Jones, and the complete cluster that was Currie's coaching search, Pruitt hasn't done a bad job in salvaging this recruiting class, especially given the early signing period.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Seriously? Last time I checked Tennessee was last maybe 13th in the SEC in recruiting right now. Yes that will more than likely get better with the later signing period. But at this point Pruitt is NOT looking like any better of a recruiter than Jones was. It is NOT the offers that count but the ones that sign.

There is also no way to tell how good or bad these recruits really are. That will not be known until this time next year.

And by your rationale the only coach in college football that would be consistent enough to be labeled as good is Saban. He is the only coach that has not lost a game he should have won in the past few years.
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Check again and stop speakin out your arse
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Know what? I hope he does exactly that. Why? Because the venom spewers on VN don't have the decency wish him well and let it go at that. Maybe he should stick a hunting knife up UT's azz and twist it about 30 times to promote profuse bleeding. Venomizers can't appreciate the 3 straight bowl years we got out of him. While his last year was detestable, the vipers among simply don't even know how to: "Let it go, let it go. Turn away and slam the door."

I hope he gets a decent job and experience success there. We turned down some higher quality coaches (or so it's said) to hire him. So if the SEC was too big a stage for him, it's UT's fault for giving him the money.
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But he’s going to Arizona, where the cold doesn’t bother them anyway.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Know what? I hope he does exactly that. Why? Because the venom spewers on VN don't have the decency wish him well and let it go at that. Maybe he should stick a hunting knife up UT's azz and twist it about 30 times to promote profuse bleeding. Venomizers can't appreciate the 3 straight bowl years we got out of him. While his last year was detestable, the vipers among simply don't even know how to: "Let it go, let it go. Turn away and slam the door."

I hope he gets a decent job and experience success there. We turned down some higher quality coaches (or so it's said) to hire him. So if the SEC was too big a stage for him, it's UT's fault for giving him the money.
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Any new dip recipes Barb?
 
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volfan102455 said:
So two 9-4 seasons mean nothing?? Charlie Strong never had a winning season at Texas and found a HC job.

Jones proved to be a good recruiter. His failure, IMO, is with the coaching staff. As he started to change the staff he ended up with a staff that was not in sync with each other.

Sometimes it is not about whether a coach is the "best" coach at a position, but whether the coaching staff as a whole is on the same page.
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A few of those 9 win seasons were miracles wins...nonetheless, a wins a win.

Butch had strengths, don't get me wrong. But he couldn't develop talent at an elite level. He was good, not great. Butch was pig headed, he wouldn't listen or take advice from wise counsel, that partially proved to be his downfall, and veteran players also stopped buying what he was selling. He left our program with our worst season in school history, granted we had severe injuries, which did not help his cause.

If I were an AD at a Power 5 conference, I'd never hire him as an HC because he's MAYBE a good coach at best, not GREAT. I'd maybe bring him in somewhere into a Power 5 program because he can recruit, but no way in hell as an Power 5 HC or coordinator. Maybe a RB, WR or TE coach. I'd THINK LONG AND DARN HARD, before you let him touch the defensive side of your team.

Think an HC job at Arizona would be the best job he'd be able to ever get at this point...I'd jump on it if I were him, plus the expectations are not that amazingly demanding.
 
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