Over signing !!!

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UA can backcount 3 players but we just finsihed our class with 26 total signees counting the EEs. We have one player that will grayshirt. So a total of 27 players but again only 26 signed. According to our sites we will back count 3 players to last years class. Meaning next year we will be able to back count 2 for next years class since the 2012 class will technically only have 23 that signed with it.
 
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Regulator said:
I have no clue about LSU's overall class except I do know they signed several 4 star LB'ers, in spite of losing one on a NSD change to Texas. Also, their team was young this past year, so they didn't have a lot of glaring needs that I'm aware of.
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I would think Qb is a glaring need for them. Thank you Gunner Kiel.:)
 
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TideWarrior said:
UA can backcount 3 players but we just finsihed our class with 26 total signees counting the EEs. We have one player that will grayshirt. So a total of 27 players but again only 26 signed. According to our sites we will back count 3 players to last years class. Meaning next year we will be able to back count 2 for next years class since the 2012 class will technically only have 23 that signed with it.
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Believe you're wrong TW. You cannot carry over back counts. Use em or lose em.
 
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TideWarrior said:
UA can backcount 3 players but we just finsihed our class with 26 total signees counting the EEs. We have one player that will grayshirt. So a total of 27 players but again only 26 signed. According to our sites we will back count 3 players to last years class. Meaning next year we will be able to back count 2 for next years class since the 2012 class will technically only have 23 that signed with it.
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TW, I read somewhere that the 2013 class is the last class the SEC will allow back counting. Any truth to this? I read it from another poster, and you seem to be knowledgeable on these issues.
 
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This is my understanding of how back counting works:

1. You must sign a full class of 25 before you can begin to back count. IOW, #26 is eligible to be counted against the previous class, IF there was at least one spot open in that class AND said signee enrolled early.

2. No more than 3 such back-counts are allowed per class.

3. If you fail to use all your possible back-counted scholarships, they are lost. Otherwise you could, at least theoretically, carry those extra ships for years until the right situation allowed you to use them.
 
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Morpheus said:
Believe you're wrong TW. You cannot carry over back counts. Use em or lose em.
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The new midyear exemption allows a team to take EEs and make them initial counters for the prior year if spots were not filled. If UA only has 23 in the 2012 class we will 2 open spots in the 2013 class to add EEs as midyear exemptions.
 
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Morpheus said:
This is my understanding of how back counting works:

1. You must sign a full class of 25 before you can begin to back count. IOW, #26 is eligible to be counted against the previous class, IF there was at least one spot open in that class AND said signee enrolled early.

2. No more than 3 such back-counts are allowed per class.
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I have not seen the 3max rule. All I have seen is any open spots can be filled. The only stipulation is they have to be an EE.

Also according to the release of the new rule per the SEC, it does not say you have to have 25 to backcount. Again as long as they are an EE and there is room in the previous class.
 
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VolDC said:
TW, I read somewhere that the 2013 class is the last class the SEC will allow back counting. Any truth to this? I read it from another poster, and you seem to be knowledgeable on these issues.
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Unless they just changed it again I have not seen that. But before teams that did not start the season with 85 could backcount a player into that spot as a counter. The new rule seems to indicate they can only backcount as an initial counter. So if teams keep signing 25 they will not have any room to backcount.
 
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TideWarrior said:
I have not seen the 3max rule. All I have seen is any open spots can be filled. The only stipulation is they have to be an EE.

Also according to the release of the new rule per the SEC, it does not say you have to have 25 to backcount. Again as long as they are an EE and there is room in the previous class.
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This is news to me, but evidently correct...

So, basically, as long as you're bringing in EE's every year, there's no reason you shouldnt sign 100 new players per 4 year term. Take 25 per year whether you need them or not, and burn the chaff (get rid of your least favorites). If you fall short one year, make it up the next, or even 2 or 3 years later.

Hypothetically, if you only got 20 one year, you could sign 26 for the next 5 years (with the required number of EE's).

Here's our own scenario:

2012 Class = 21 signees (no back counts)

2013 Class = Likely no more than 20 because of the 85 cap. So if 4 of those are EE's, and back counted to 2012, we will be able to sign as many as 34 in 2014 (with 9 being EE's).

Think people are pissed about 28? Wait til this happens :lol:
 
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sign more than 25 LOI agreements is if they a) intend to greyshirt the excess players and have them count against the following year's total of 25 or b) did not sign 25 total from the previous year and uses those. Keep in mind the overall total cannot exceed 85 in a given season. Bama kicks guys out if they are not cutting it or asked them to take medical scholarships even when not hurt. Saban does whatever it takes to win.
 
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DB123 said:
sign more than 25 LOI agreements is if they a) intend to greyshirt the excess players and have them count against the following year's total of 25 or b) did not sign 25 total from the previous year and uses those. Keep in mind the overall total cannot exceed 85 in a given season. Bama kicks guys out if they are not cutting it or asked them to take medical scholarships even when not hurt. Saban does whatever it takes to win.
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Medical hardship is still a full scholarship and a degree in the end. :)
 
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This is what I am going by regarding the midyear exemption(backcounting).

(4) Reduced the permissible number of signees from 28 to 25 and moves back the start date for the window for counting date back to Dec. 1. Allow signees to be exempt from the 25 limit if they can be counted as an initial counter in the current year

SEC presidents vote to cap football scholarships at 25 per year | UGA sports blog

The SEC rule -- and the national rule next year -- allows an annual exception for teams to sign more than 25. That is possible if one or more signees can be counted backward toward the previous year's class. There must be spots available in the previous class to do so.

The maximum 25 new scholarship players who can enroll each academic year are called "initial counters." Almost always, initial counters are players who were recruited to be put on scholarship upon enrolling for their first year.

How does counting backward work? If a team shows up in the fall and adds, for instance, 20 new initial counters to go with 65 returning players, it would be maxed out at the NCAA limit of 85 scholarships and there would be five initial counters the team didn't use.

Come December and January, the team could add five mid-year enrollees who count back toward the previous class if there are at least five current players whose eligibility ended. The mid-year enrollees could be any combination of junior college and four-year college transfers or early graduates from high school.

SEC learning to live with new 25-player signing cap | al.com

Not sure how wrong I am.
 
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If I recall the many prior discussions of this issue, the 85 and 25 are separate issues. You can only sign 25 in the SEC per year (subject to backcounts and what not), but you still cannot go over the 85 limit. This is what hurt Tennessee in past years. So many players left that even after the 25 signed we could not get to 85.

The 25 rule is unique to the SEC and is designed to avoid coaches running off players that don't pan out. I always remind my friends here in Utah that as dominant as the SEC is, it is operating from a self-imposed disadvantage.

By the way, as I I recall, this whole 25 limit should be laid at the feet of Houston Nutt who signed mid-30s his first years at Arkansas and Miss.
 
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UtahVol said:
If I recall the many prior discussions of this issue, the 85 and 25 are separate issues. You can only sign 25 in the SEC per year (subject to backcounts and what not), but you still cannot go over the 85 limit. This is what hurt Tennessee in past years. So many players left that even after the 25 signed we could not get to 85.

The 25 rule is unique to the SEC and is designed to avoid coaches running off players that don't pan out. I always remind my friends here in Utah that as dominant as the SEC is, it is operating from a self-imposed disadvantage.

By the way, as I I recall, this whole 25 limit should be laid at the feet of Houston Nutt who signed mid-30s his first years at Arkansas and Miss.
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He signed 38 if I remember correctly
 
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gobravesvols16 said:
Air Force took 46!!!
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The academies should be able to take as many as they want because those schools have zero recruiting advantages against any BCS school. Any kid that wants to go to the academy and play football and give five years to the military should be permitted to do so. That's just the humble opinion of this poster who is admittedly an Obama liberal.
 
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UtahVol said:
The academies should be able to take as many as they want because those schools have zero recruiting advantages against any BCS school. Any kid that wants to go to the academy and play football and give five years to the military should be permitted to do so. That's just the humble opinion of this poster who is admittedly an Obama liberal.
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I agree, except for the Obama liberal part lol.
 
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