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banman360

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From what ive seen on ESPN and what not it seems like Tennessee fans ( and John Adams) are the only ones that thought this was the right move in firing Fulmer. the guy on college football live put it well that UTs problem was Nick Saban and how we all began to panic at his success at bammer. I disagree with many of you that clearing house wasnt the right answer. We will have to see how this plays out over time obviously but what Nick Saban has done so well at bama may have lead to the premature firing of Phil and potential decline in success. I no most of you will say we wernt having any success right now but i dont think phil was to blame. clawson was simply over his head in SEC play. just my :twocents:
 
#4
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Anyone who tries to paint the Fulmer firing as a knee jerk reaction, just has not been following the story. This program has been on a serious decline since 2002. A lot of fans were mad, even more were tired of the lousy product and were over it. They just did not care anymore. This program is in bad shape. It is deffinitely in worse shape than when Fulmer took it over from Majors. At some point, you have to cut your losses and move on. This program is bigger than any one person, including Fulmer. There is too much money involved to make it a thing about friends and family. And Fulmer benefitted greatly from that money.

Outsiders , especially outside sports writers will always have some spin. Much of the writers that now seem puzzled as to why Fulmer was let go were the same vultures that constantly circled the program looking for a story to bash the Vols. ESPN constantly used the Rocky Bottom graphics while describing the latest futility that was UT football.

It's over now. Every one needs to get over it. We need a new coach to pick up the pieces and make this program whole again. I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
 
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People that do not follow Tennessee on a daily basis have absolutley no clue what they are talking about. These so called "experts" or analysts, just look at the top of the pile and see that Fulmer was 150-51... they have no idea what has gone on with this program.
 
#6
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It was the right move. This has been building for several years now, the lack of discipline, self motivation or any enthusiasm for winning. I really think it has nothing to do with Saban other than the class of coaches in the SEC has changed and Phil has not changed with the class.
 
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banman360 said:
Nick Saban has done so well at bama may have lead to the premature firing of Phil and potential decline in success. I no most of you will say we wernt having any success right now but i dont think phil was to blame. clawson was simply over his head in SEC play. just my :twocents:
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Success? What success? Phil is a loser - that big win percentage came at the expense of the nobodies. Since 2001 (and that's a LONG time in the coaching ranks) he has lost right at 70% of his games against Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, other top tier oppontnts,the SECCG and all bowl games. He should have been sent out the door quite a while ago.
 
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Ohiovol09 said:
People that do not follow Tennessee on a daily basis have absolutley no clue what they are talking about. These so called "experts" or analysts, just look at the top of the pile and see that Fulmer was 150-51... they have no idea what has gone on with this program.
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Very true. The 150-51 record is the thing you haer most from the outside media. It is our house and it was time to clean it up...that's all.
 
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I thought it was right to give CPF an opportunity after 2005. I also thought there should be zero tolerance for backsliding.

Whether this was the "right" answer or not regarding wins and losses will be determined by the next coach and the players. However this was a "just" answer. CPF sadly failed to meet even the low end of reasonable expectations. UT may or may not improve but CPF did not deserve to keep his job.

And before you even start... I defended him earlier when some of the haters were taking classless cheap shots.
 
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AllVolYall said:
Very true. The 150-51 record is the thing you haer most from the outside media. It is our house and it was time to clean it up...that's all.
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The only record that matters to me is 5-6. CPF through a failure to lead well failed in 2005. His service before that should have bought him one chance to fix it. Only 3 years later he's lost 6 games again. Unlike much of 05, he's been dominated by key rivals this year.

BTW, ESPN et al think that UT should accept second class status behind Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, etc.
 
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Funny that most of the local, regional, and national media...for the last three months...have been posting all of the "Fulmer has lost it" statistics. ESPN, Fox, SportsSouth, etc.

Now, UT is being second-guessed for "firing a legend". Typical media tactics. Play the other side.

One thing great about this board. We never had to guess who the Fulmerites and NegaPhils were.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Funny that most of the local, regional, and national media...for the last three months...have been posting all of the "Fulmer has lost it" statistics. ESPN, Fox, SportsSouth, etc.

Now, UT is being second-guessed for "firing a legend". Typical media tactics. Play the other side.

One thing great about this board. We never had to guess who the Fulmerites and NegaPhils were.

Go Vols.
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:good!: It is what it is.
 
#13
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FWIW, Herbstreit thought it was 'obvious' and 'could see this coming for a long time'.
 
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Well, while watching the Miami(OH) and Buffalo game on E2, the announcers just commented about the Tennessee situation. They went straight for the obvious, he was here for 17 years, won over 75% of his games and had a record of 150-51 and was fired for having only ONE bad year.

After that "one bad year comment", I laughed and realized these guys are not very informed when it comes to SEC football and Tennessee.

Now they have a POLL on ESPN. Nice.
 
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Part of the reason this was seen as a knee jerk reaction was the fact that he was given a huge contract only months ago
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Yeah, heard several people lump the usual stats-without-a-context together for how 'ridiculous' this was. If you want him to stay that is what you'd say.

Problem is, whether you want him or not, the 'one bad year' thing is factually inaccurate unless your goal is for TN to finish in the top 50 in the final standings.

The reality is - and i take no pleasure in saying it - there are approximately 200 coaches out there that could match what has been done this decade.

Chris Low's recent column on ESPN.COM discussed the "Tale of Two Halves", which more or less breaks down the dilemma.
 
#18
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media types and other "outsiders" were proclaiming UT "crazy" for canning bill battle, citing his record of never having a losing season and an overall winning record around 70%.

it's pretty easy to mine data and paint the picture one wants.
 
#19
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Data mining...that is exactly right. Same thing happens in politics all of the time.
 
#20
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sjt18 said:
The only record that matters to me is 5-6. CPF through a failure to lead well failed in 2005. His service before that should have bought him one chance to fix it. Only 3 years later he's lost 6 games again. Unlike much of 05, he's been dominated by key rivals this year.

BTW, ESPN et al think that UT should accept second class status behind Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, etc.
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Great post. Agree 100%. ESPN has no idea what they are talking about.
 
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