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volfannbama said:
We certainly have a gap, but we are not talking about competing against uga, bama....we are talking about getting beatdoen by vandy.
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Op did not mention Vanderbilt in his question, but since you mention it, we are currently the last place team in the SEC and the next to last team just ran us off the field. This gap is huge as well.
 
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Teirnon said:
We don't want a "weird" coach that wears pirate outfits even though he wins. Somehow Washington State deals with it and wins. UT gets the cheap maybes coach. Maybe Pruitt builds a decent team, maybe not. Maybe in 3 more years all this chaos will start again.
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During his first season with Washington he was 3–9 overall and 1–8 in Pac-12 play, his second year he went 6–6 regular season. The 2014 season they regressed back to a 3–9 record. In 2015, the Cougars had their breakthrough season with a 9–4 overall. It took Leach 4yrs....my point being I don't think the fan base would have stuck with him and the personality to get to the 4th year **People already wanting Pruitt gone after one season. Notice, his first year...didn't do nearly as well as Pruitt. Pruitt will be fine, just going to take time.
 
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Sara Clark said:
I think he would have been on a short leash, not given the time needed to turn the program around due to him being so "weird." His personality is draining on the mind.... if he's not winning. Really can't imagine he would have did any better than Pruitt this year.
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Leach didn’t even make a bowl at WSU until year 4. Three bowl-less years at UT gets you fired.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
How's he going to get those types of players? The 2019 class took a major hit on the performance of the past two weeks. Some of those home runs we were hoping for are already scratching us off their lists because they want to win. I'll be mildly surprised if our 2019 class is in the top 20 when all is said and done, which will put us squarely in the bottom half of the conference. Some people will try to comfort themselves by claiming to trust CJP's evaluations more than recruiting service rankings but CJP is not a coach who has ever had to go find diamonds in the rough. All of his recruiting chops are based on shooting fish in a barrel by recruiting big time prospects to winning programs where they were going to go anyway. Maybe he can sway a kid from Clemson to Bama but can he sway kids from Bama to UTK? I guess we're about to find out.
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We ll have to lose commits and not get anyone else to fall outside the top 20 based on the rankings over the last 5 or 6 years.

Theres been 1 recruit that I'm aware of that has made public comments about the schools success prior to him choosing. If that was on the top of his list he never was coming here because his other 2 options were 10 win teams in the playoff hunt. We werent sniffing that level had Neyland rose from grave
 
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Sara Clark said:
During his first season with Washington he was 3–9 overall and 1–8 in Pac-12 play, his second year he went 6–6 regular season. The 2014 season they regressed back to a 3–9 record. In 2015, the Cougars had their breakthrough season with a 9–4 overall. It took Leach 4yrs....my point being I don't think the fan base would have stuck with him and the personality to get to the 4th year **People already wanting Pruitt gone after one season. Notice, his first year...didn't do nearly as well as Pruitt. Pruitt will be fine, just going to take time.
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You forgot to mention that he took over a team that had 9 wins and 40 losses the previous 4 years. Leach knows how to build a program. We dont know that about Pruitt. I like Pruitt but we dont know how he will do as a Head Coach. Someone said we had no choice but to hire a coordinator because we could'nt find a successful coach that wanted to come to UT, but that was not true.
 
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KBVol said:
And here’s the thing regarding our recruiting classes. We may very well get a top 20 class, maybe even a top 15 or better. But it still won’t change the fact that both Missouri and Vandy, with their top 45 and top 50 classes will continue to kick the ever living **** out of Tennessee on an annual basis. Not sure how that works, how it’s even possible, but it has happened and will continue to happen.
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Let me educate you... when UT goes up against a team with more talent than them on paper and lose the coach worshippers point to the talent gap and it isn’t fair to judge the coach with the disparity in talent. When UT goes up against teams with far less talent on paper and loses those same people scream that star ratings out of high school aren’t everything and it isn’t the coaches fault they haven’t performed, we literally just somehow hand pick every 4 and 5 star lemon out of the high school ranks. I wish I was kidding but I have witnessed this rhetoric on these boards many times. It truly blows my mind.
 
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Teirnon said:
You forgot to mention that he took over a team that had 9 wins and 40 losses the previous 4 years. Leach knows how to build a program. We dont know that about Pruitt. I like Pruitt but we dont know how he will do as a Head Coach. Someone said we had no choice but to hire a coordinator because we could'nt find a successful coach that wanted to come to UT, but that was not true.
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They are just in denial man.
 
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Bucket18 said:
Tennessee will continue to roll the dice with low budget hires until Neyland suffers
A major attendance drop. That is happening and might reach a new record low next year. They could care less what we think on this blog. It’s season tickets sales and empty seats that they fear.
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They better gird their loins because their fear is now a reality.
 
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KeyVol14 said:
Deep down I am skeptical of Pruitt. I’m normally a opmistic person and like to see the good in everything. But when it comes to UT football I always have the fear that I will get my hopes dashed for another coaching search in a few years. I don’t know what to think after this season. There were some bright spots but these last two weeks plus the combined margin of losses to WV, FL, Bama etc really make me question if we’re heading in the same direction like we have with the last two coaches. I do think this roster needs to be completely overhauled and needs an influx of Pruitt’s recruits. I think the guy can really coach football but running a program and facing adversity like this is very new to him. I’m not ready to throw in the white towel by any means but it’s fair to be skeptical I suppose. Any way I wonder what’s yalls thoughts are? I know we all want to be competitive once again! Go vols.
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You think he can really coach? I have seen nothing that says that is the case. I don't believe he has close to what it takes to lead my alma mater back.
 
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Teirnon said:
We don't want a "weird" coach that wears pirate outfits even though he wins. Somehow Washington State deals with it and wins. UT gets the cheap maybes coach. Maybe Pruitt builds a decent team, maybe not. Maybe in 3 more years all this chaos will start again.
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If they’d of hired Leach, you’d be complaining about a guy who went 5-7 and got his teeth kicked in by the commodores while making pirate references. Instead you are complaining about a guy who went 5-7 got his teeth kicked in by the commodores and tells you truth that he knows he has to get the right players on his team to win.
While pirate talk is funny I’d rather have the guy that tells you what he sees, and dosent try to polish it.
 
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Teirnon said:
You forgot to mention that he took over a team that had 9 wins and 40 losses the previous 4 years. Leach knows how to build a program. We dont know that about Pruitt. I like Pruitt but we dont know how he will do as a Head Coach. Someone said we had no choice but to hire a coordinator because we could'nt find a successful coach that wanted to come to UT, but that was not true.
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This statement is skewed, you are only looking at conference wins....
 
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cardvolfan said:
You can't change innate traits in kids. He is 100% correct.
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Meh....for the majority that initially wanted to do something, that want is still there. You just have to find out how to push it.
It shouldnt be a suprise that pruitt would struggle in this area, since he has never dealt with it.
 
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jarnol32 said:
If they’d of hired Leach, you’d be complaining about a guy who went 5-7 and got his teeth kicked in by the commodores while making pirate references. Instead you are complaining about a guy who went 5-7 got his teeth kicked in by the commodores and tells you truth that he knows he has to get the right players on his team to win.
While pirate talk is funny I’d rather have the guy that tells you what he sees, and dosent try to polish it.
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I guess your right. Leach, who has been a Head Coach for 18 years 132-83, would have never told you he needed better players to win. But Pruitt, Head Coach 1 year 5-7 will tell you what he sees. We have what we have. We have Pruitt. Lets give him 3 more years then see what happens. I hope for the best but being around UT for the past 40 years I have my doubts. The problem at UT is not the coach.
 
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Sara Clark said:
This statement is skewed, you are only looking at conference wins....
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Paul Wulff was the Head Coach. His 4 years overall record was 9-40 and a Conference record of 4-32 2008 to 2011. Leach took them to the 2013 New Mexico Bowl in his SECOND year!
 
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SGMVols said:
Leach didn’t even make a bowl at WSU until year 4. Three bowl-less years at UT gets you fired.
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Mike Leach in his second year took Washington State to the 2013 New Mexico Bowl. You think Pruitt going to take us to a bowl next year? I hope so
 
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volfannbama said:
Meh....for the majority that initially wanted to do something, that want is still there. You just have to find out how to push it.
It shouldnt be a suprise that pruitt would struggle in this area, since he has never dealt with it.
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He was a high school football coach before college so I am quite certain he has dealt with poor attitudes before but that doesn’t mean he is good at it. I have coached and still coach in a very high poverty area. It can be very difficult to overcome a person’s circumstances in life to reach them. I would imagine if an athlete the caliber that UT possesses quits it is because they have been allowed to quit by previous coaches or the current coach. We aren’t talking about a player who has to decide between eating or playing. Let’s be clear, he isn’t coaching at Carver High in Atlanta. This is a systemic problem at UT
 
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landscapingvol said:
He was a high school football coach before college so I am quite certain he has dealt with poor attitudes before but that doesn’t mean he is good at it. I have coached and still coach in a very high poverty area. It can be very difficult to overcome a person’s circumstances in life to reach them. I would imagine if an athlete the caliber that UT possesses quits it is because they have been allowed to quit by previous coaches or the current coach. We aren’t talking about a player who has to decide between eating or playing. Let’s be clear, he isn’t coaching at Carver High in Atlanta. This is a systemic problem at UT
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I don't mean poor attitudes, every team has that. I mean the other stuff, losing games at a high pressure job. He wasnt even a head coach in high school. The closest he got was dc at hoover, not alot of losing going on there. He was a dc at plainview. The rest of the time ge was a db coach.
 
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Teirnon said:
We don't want a "weird" coach that wears pirate outfits even though he wins. Somehow Washington State deals with it and wins. UT gets the cheap maybes coach. Maybe Pruitt builds a decent team, maybe not. Maybe in 3 more years all this chaos will start again.
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Moved on from pirates...
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