Outkick on Pruitt situation

#28
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DiderotsGhost said:
The "economics" of it are a disaster. Our revenues are way down, we'd have to pay a huge buyout, and we'd probably end up getting a 4th tier coach that we'd have to fire 3-4 years down the road (see South Carolina's current disaster of a coach search). This is the type of move that if it doesn't work out, could set the entire program back 10 years.

Pruitt hasn't done a great job this year, but this is foolishness. Give him a real year so we can see how this great Freshmen class does with an actual offseason and let's see how Bailey and / or Salter do next year. If things still suck, we look for a coach in 2021 when it's much easier to do so.
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Are we supposed to believe that our 5th coach in 13 years is what sets us back 10 years, and not the current guy who has us posed to go 2-7 in Year 3? There are plenty of logical or sound arguments to make about why Pruitt won't be fired, but saying it would set the program back 10 years is dumb. We're in year THIRTEEN of a rebuild.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The "economics" of it are a disaster. Our revenues are way down, we'd have to pay a huge buyout, and we'd probably end up getting a 4th tier coach that we'd have to fire 3-4 years down the road (see South Carolina's current disaster of a coach search). This is the type of move that if it doesn't work out, could set the entire program back 10 years.

Pruitt hasn't done a great job this year, but this is foolishness. Give him a real year so we can see how this great Freshmen class does with an actual offseason and let's see how Bailey and / or Salter do next year. If things still suck, we look for a coach in 2021 when it's much easier to do so.
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I don't necessarily like that I agree on this , but I do. I think $$$ concerns, are real, plus it is legitimate that every team had to deal w/ different covid effects timeline diff. In our case, we had impacts to our pre-season development more than others, from what I understand. I keep going back to less of a Pruitt thing and more to the fact that I THINK Pruitt has a pretty good staff...these guys all collectively didn't become bad coaches all of the sudden. Something's clearly going on, but think they'll all get an audible for another chance to pull it together next year.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Are we supposed to believe that our 5th coach in 13 years is what sets us back 10 years, and not the current guy who has us posed to go 2-7 in Year 3? There are plenty of logical or sound arguments to make about why Pruitt won't be fired, but saying it would set the program back 10 years is dumb. We're in year THIRTEEN of a rebuild.
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Do you understand how debt works?

$20 million is the price tag. In a year where revenues plummeted (and may still be down next year). Add on top of that the fact that no top-tier coach in their right mind is coming here at the end of a Covid season. Also add on top of that the fact that there's way in "heck" that Phil Fulmer will hire Hugh Freeze. You're getting Billy Napier or some other up-and-comer who looks exactly like Butch Jones did in 2012 or Pruitt did in 2017.

The collective IQ of this board has plummeted the past month. Are you all really too stupid to understand this?
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The "economics" of it are a disaster. Our revenues are way down, we'd have to pay a huge buyout, and we'd probably end up getting a 4th tier coach that we'd have to fire 3-4 years down the road (see South Carolina's current disaster of a coach search). This is the type of move that if it doesn't work out, could set the entire program back 10 years.

Pruitt hasn't done a great job this year, but this is foolishness. Give him a real year so we can see how this great Freshmen class does with an actual offseason and let's see how Bailey and / or Salter do next year. If things still suck, we look for a coach in 2021 when it's much easier to do so.
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The economics probably aren't going to be great for the foreseeable future IMO.

Not a one year thing to overcome a 40 million dollar deficit. There is also no guarantee things magically turn back to pre covid levels once the vaccines are widely distributed.

And another year of Pruitt and possibly Guarantano is probably just going to sour this fan base further which leads to another hit in ticket sales and donations making the economics even worse.

Also not sure how great this next recruiting class is going to be given the recent hits they have taken.

And finally a look at the depth chart shows they are potentially replacing all the starting DL, 2 OL, both starting WR and Chandler at RB if the seniors all move on.

I am having a hard time seeing another year of Pruitt doing anything but delaying the inevitable and costing them even more money in buyouts if there are changes in the assistant coaching staff on the off season.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The economics probably aren't going to be great for the foreseeable future IMO.
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The economics improve every year the buyout falls.

But you're really just making the case for why you'll be stuck with Pruitt for at least another 2-3 years. This idea that he's going to be fired is a pipe dream. You're stuck with him. If the economics decline further, that just means you're stuck with him longer. Get used to it.

You can either continue to support the team. Or you can be a whiny a@$hole who sabotages our recruiting efforts. Those are the options. Firing Pruitt is not one of the options right now, cupcake.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Do you understand how debt works?

$20 million is the price tag. In a year where revenues plummeted (and may still be down next year). Add on top of that the fact that no top-tier coach in their right mind is coming here at the end of a Covid season. Also add on top of that the fact that there's way in "heck" that Phil Fulmer will hire Hugh Freeze. You're getting Billy Napier or some other up-and-comer who looks exactly like Butch Jones did in 2012 or Pruitt did in 2017.

The collective IQ of this board has plummeted the past month. Are you all really too stupid to understand this?
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Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking, as I very specifically said there are plenty of reasons you can argue that firing Jeremy Pruitt is not feasible. I never mentioned revenue in my post, and if you want to make the pure financial argument that we cannot literally afford to pay a new coach that is perfectly reasonable, but that's an entirely different argument than saying firing Jeremy Pruitt the coach and hiring literally anyone else will set us back 10 years.

I don't think it is physically possible to be further from being "back" then we are right now. Since 2017, we've had the two worst seasons in Tennessee football's hundred-plus year history. This is rock bottom (or so I hope). So, to answer your question, no I'm not too stupid to understand your flawed argument. I just don't believe firing Jeremy Pruitt sets us back 10 years. That's not possible.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The economics improve every year the buyout falls.

But you're really just making the case for why you'll be stuck with Pruitt for at least another 2-3 years. This idea that he's going to be fired is a pipe dream. You're stuck with him. If the economics decline further, that just means you're stuck with him longer. Get used to it.

You can either continue to support the team. Or you can be a whiny a@$hole who sabotages our recruiting efforts. Those are the options. Firing Pruitt is not one of the options right now, cupcake.
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So it's only whiny a holes that sabotage recruiting? It has zero to do with the product the coaches put on the field every week? Interesting
 
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tastycar said:
So it's only whiny a holes that sabotage recruiting? It has zero to do with the product the coaches put on the field every week? Interesting
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Don't you know that it's the anonymous fans on Twitter that tank a program and not the mismanagement by the athletic department or poor coaching? If us fans would just lighten up and support the team, all of our football ills would be resolved.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
The economics improve every year the buyout falls.

But you're really just making the case for why you'll be stuck with Pruitt for at least another 2-3 years. This idea that he's going to be fired is a pipe dream. You're stuck with him. If the economics decline further, that just means you're stuck with him longer. Get used to it.

You can either continue to support the team. Or you can be a whiny a@$hole who sabotages our recruiting efforts. Those are the options. Firing Pruitt is not one of the options right now, cupcake.
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Pruitt's performance as head coach sabotages our recruiting efforts. Yet again you project the issues with this program onto fans based upon the assumption that optimistic "support" of a rotten coach will somehow improve the ability of that coach on-the-field. Nothing could be further from reality.
 
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I realize that all of this is semantics and hypothetical, but if we actually had good QB play this year, could we be sitting with 4-5 wins...also considering that, in my opinion, the D suffered from being on the field too much, or had it's mojo taken out b/c we just threw another pick 6 (other than the obvious of not being able to defend the slant). In which case, if we did have good QB play, would Pruitt be catching all the heat of being a bad coach? The thing I most fault him and Chaney for is not developing the QB position, whether it's JG, HB or others.
 
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Fulmer: Vols better than 2-5 record, patience needed with Pruitt

Per the 247sports article, Fulmer said:

“Giving great effort and taking care of the ball and getting the ball back are three of the things that you have to do to have a good team, and it’s not one particular group all the time. It’s just we’ve had a very inconsistent group and a lot of that is coming from youth. As look at the consistency of our football team, and Coach Pruitt’s said it a bunch of times, we’ve offensively and defensively just can’t have those catastrophic plays that we’ve had that have cost us games.”

But we did. Title of article is: Fulmer: Vols better than 2-5 record. I say BS.
Notice Fulmer doesn’t mention scoring points. It’s a play not to lose mentality, full of excuses. I‘ve always supported Fulmer, but no more. Reading article took away all my hope that Fulmer will fire Pruitt.
 
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#44
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DiderotsGhost said:
Do you understand how debt works?

$20 million is the price tag. In a year where revenues plummeted (and may still be down next year). Add on top of that the fact that no top-tier coach in their right mind is coming here at the end of a Covid season. Also add on top of that the fact that there's way in "heck" that Phil Fulmer will hire Hugh Freeze. You're getting Billy Napier or some other up-and-comer who looks exactly like Butch Jones did in 2012 or Pruitt did in 2017.

The collective IQ of this board has plummeted the past month. Are you all really too stupid to understand this?
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How would you describe the IQ of someone defending a coach who has a career record of 15-17 but soon to be 15-19? Someone who believes we are a qb away from 9-3 when we are a pick six away from 1-6? We are definitely headed down the path of an economic windfall
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Do you understand how debt works?

$20 million is the price tag. In a year where revenues plummeted (and may still be down next year). Add on top of that the fact that no top-tier coach in their right mind is coming here at the end of a Covid season. Also add on top of that the fact that there's way in "heck" that Phil Fulmer will hire Hugh Freeze. You're getting Billy Napier or some other up-and-comer who looks exactly like Butch Jones did in 2012 or Pruitt did in 2017.

The collective IQ of this board has plummeted the past month. Are you all really too stupid to understand this?
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Yes. Nobody here is even close to as smart as you.
 
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If we don't have the money to fire Pruitt, we don't have the money for a staff overhaul either.

Ansley has another 13 months, buyout $1,000,000
Chaney has another 13 months, buyout $1,900,000
Felton has another 13 months, buyout $270,000
Friend expires next month
Graham has 13 months, buyout $600,000
Tee expires next month
Nieds expires next month
Osovet has 13 months, buyout $270,000
Weinke has 13 months, buyout $470,000

so who are we letting go and who are we going to get to prop up Pruitt?
 
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#49
tastycar said:
Arrrrghhh... Everyone can see the writing on the wall but Fulmer and Pruitt... And maybe five or six people on VN but everyone else can see it.
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Obviously not, the people that matter, Fulmer and those he reports to, do not believe the time is right....... And what we think doesn't move the needle.
 
#50
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DiderotsGhost said:
You mean the same Johnny Majors that went 5-6 during his 4th season and took about 5-7 years to turn UT back into an SEC contender, but who also eventually built the foundation for our national title team?
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Johnny Majors 4th year was in 1980. Nothing about the business of college football is the same in 2020 as it was in 1980, this is a moot point.
 
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