out of nowhere: Jacob Carter

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volfan_48 said:
Clay Matthews, USC- Brandon Burlsworth, AK-Carl Mecklenburg, Mn the list goes on...........
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Cam newton, Vonn Miller, Marcell Dareus, AJ Green, Pattrick Peterson, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Jake Locker, Tyron Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, Mike Pounce, Ryan Kerrigan, and the list goes on and on except hundreds of times longer than your list as I just named the top half of last years NFL draft. Are there exceptions yes? There are exceptions here and there, but that does not change the overall trend.
 
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volfan_48 said:
I did not say they desirved all this attention, just the same ammount. A team is one unit and should never be separated out in classes. Just because you have no answer to my question doesnt mean their isnt one so on a pass, fail scale you fail. Carter is racking up some pretty good numbers so I hope he gets a shot!! Oh and by the way...his numbers probably come from 10 or 12 plays while the scholly players get about 40
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Hey Tyler, I heard you were throwing we'll today. Sorry I missed it but I had to work with the walkon backups to the scout team. You know, cause coed flag football tourney is this weekend and i need to make sure they are ready. I will work with the first team next week.
 
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vol2013 said:
Cam newton, Vonn Miller, Marcell Dareus, AJ Green, Pattrick Peterson, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith, Jake Locker, Tyron Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, Mike Pounce, Ryan Kerrigan, and the list goes on and on except hundreds of times longer than your list as I just named the top half of last years NFL draft. Are there exceptions yes? There are exceptions here and there, but that does not change the overall trend.
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Since my other question was to difficult for you answer this one..........How many scholly athletes have been a total wasted investment?? And how many players fall through the cracks in recruiting?
 
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volfan_48 said:
I did not say they desirved all this attention, just the same ammount. A team is one unit and should never be separated out in classes. Just because you have no answer to my question doesnt mean their isnt one so on a pass, fail scale you fail. Carter is racking up some pretty good numbers so I hope he gets a shot!! Oh and by the way...his numbers probably come from 10 or 12 plays while the scholly players get about 40
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Yes, I know that is what you were saying and I was disagreeing with that. Do janitors get the same attention as other employees at a company? No, and it is the same thing here. Also, if you seriously think that you can evaluate players like you wanted me to do on paper based on two qualities then you are a bigger dumb ass then I thought. I wish carter the best as well, but the flipside to your argument is that he was playing against the second teams. Also, if walkons were so important in this one team one unit thing then how come every ncaa division one coach does not adopt that philosophy. Walkons are being treated no differently here then they are at the Alabama's of the world.
 
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vol2013 said:
Yes, I know that is what you were saying and I was disagreeing with that. Do janitors get the same attention as other employees at a company? No, and it is the same thing here. Also, if you seriously think that you can evaluate players like you wanted me to do on paper based on two qualities then you are a bigger dumb ass then I thought. I wish carter the best as well, but the flipside to your argument is that he was playing against the second teams. Also, if walkons were so important in this one team one unit thing then how come every ncaa division one coach does not adopt that philosophy. Walkons are being treated no differently here then they are at the Alabama's of the world.
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Walkons are treated this way at the DII schools of the world. the good NAIA schools. and the best DIII schools as well. it's not just a DI thing

Hell, JV players are treated this way at bad high schools across america.

It's called the real world. It's like he doesn't understand.
 
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volfan_48 said:
Since my other question was to difficult for you answer this one..........How many scholly athletes have been a total wasted investment?? And how many players fall through the cracks in recruiting?
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Yes, there are busts and there are players that slip through the cracks. There are exceptions to everything and this is no different. But this is leading down the same road that your argument about the NFL lead to. Yes, you will be able to name some examples, but I will be able to make a list to the contrary that is exponentially larger.
 
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Daloth said:
Walkons are treated this way at the DII schools of the world. the good NAIA schools. and the best DIII schools as well. it's not just a DI thing

Hell, JV players are treated this way at bad high schools across america.

It's called the real world. It's like he doesn't understand.
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I know, I just have been using major D-1 programs just because I know I can find quotes if he tries to dispute it in those cases. And spot on with the last statement, only a small percentage of the population have not been in a similar situation at some point in there life.
 
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vol2013 said:
Yes, I know that is what you were saying and I was disagreeing with that. Do janitors get the same attention as other employees at a company? No, and it is the same thing here. Also, if you seriously think that you can evaluate players like you wanted me to do on paper based on two qualities then you are a bigger dumb ass then I thought. I wish carter the best as well, but the flipside to your argument is that he was playing against the second teams. Also, if walkons were so important in this one team one unit thing then how come every ncaa division one coach does not adopt that philosophy. Walkons are being treated no differently here then they are at the Alabama's of the world.
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Ever hear of Nebraska?
 
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volfan_48 said:
Ever hear of Nebraska?
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Congratulations, you can name one program that appears from the outside to fit into your fantasy world. Again, this is the exception not the norm and I can make a list exponentially larger of programs to the contrary.
 
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vol2013 said:
Yes, there are busts and there are players that slip through the cracks. There are exceptions to everything and this is no different. But this is leading down the same road that your argument about the NFL lead to. Yes, you will be able to name some examples, but I will be able to make a list to the contrary that is exponentially larger.
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FYI, Saban's take on walk on's

You know, I was a walk-on for a little while and earned a scholarship," said Saban, who was a defensive back at Kent State. "So I have a lot of compassion for guys who really want to play, who love the game, who are willing to go out every day and try to get themselves better to see if they have an opportunity to contribute to the team some day, but also are willing to give of themselves to help the other guys on the team by helping them prepare by being a part of the scout team."
 
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OrangePappy said:
So, getting back on topic, Is Carter a contributor this year?
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Hope for his sake he is, but unlikely. Once CP and Bowles (very polished for a high school wide receiver) will likely contribute right away ahead of him. Also Pig howard is likely to see some playing time from wide out.
 
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volfan_48 said:
FYI, Saban's take on walk on's

You know, I was a walk-on for a little while and earned a scholarship," said Saban, who was a defensive back at Kent State. "So I have a lot of compassion for guys who really want to play, who love the game, who are willing to go out every day and try to get themselves better to see if they have an opportunity to contribute to the team some day, but also are willing to give of themselves to help the other guys on the team by helping them prepare by being a part of the scout team."
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Saying the right thing for the media. Nothing more. I bet he doesn't give a damn about them , like most coaches. This is the same person who ignored a player that passed out after practice.


"Well, the first day of two-a-days. We had about a three-hour-plus practice in the morning in that south Florida sun. You guys know what it's like down there in late July, early August. And then that night we had another practice under the lights, if I recall I think it was about from 6 to 9.

Jeno James, our best offensive lineman at the time, comes in and collapses after practice, uh, vomiting all kinds of stuff that would make a billygoat puke, eyes rolled in the back of his head. Myself, about four other lineman are trying to carry him from the locker room, to the training room.

Obviously it's a moment of panic, everyone, you know, we don't know if this guy's, you know, gonna die, I mean, the whole deal. But he's so big and sweaty and heavy that we actually have to set him down in the hallway between the locker room and the training room.

Nick Saban literally just starts walking in, steps over Jeno James convulsing, doesn't say a word, doesn't try to help, goes upstairs, I don't know what he does. But then obviously they get Jeno 'trauma-offed' to the hospital.

Saban calls a team meeting about 10:30 that night, comes down and says, 'You know, the captain of the ship can never show fear or indecision, we've always gotta have an answer, and so I had to go upstairs, that's why I walked over Geno like that, I had to collect my thoughts and decide what's best for our team."


Yeah , it's easy to use the word compassion when talking to the media , than it is to actually show it. Nick Saban is a great coach , but believe me when I tell you , he doesn't give a damn about anyone but himself when it comes down to it.
 
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volfan_48 said:
walk ons have to make the team........they don't just get to join...I'm sure when they make the team that it's not followed by a speech of how they are going to waste thier time and be treated like ****. That is the point of this converstation in case you missed it
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I know a couple of guys who were walkons and invited walkons and they weren't treated that badly at all. My friends got free gear any time they asked for it and they were talked to all the time and interacted with the coaches like anyone else on the team. They weren't given as nice of stuff as the scholly players, but they definitely got a shot and dressed out on numerous occasions. Before my friend transferred to Carson Newman, the coaches were trying extremely hard to get him to stay.

Not trying to be a jerk, but if they are getting treated that way, then they should be lucky to even be on the team because they probably aren't that good at all.

Not to mention Jaron Toney got around 20 carries in the MTSU game, he is a walk on, and Jake Story and Shane Reviez got schollies last year.
 
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So how many of these threads are going to be made? Wish people would learn to read. Haven't been on since the morning and I could point two other Jacob Carter threads.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Butt hurt and you can only dress out so many

Life sucks and you get over it
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Understand the numbers but when walkons are told one way to ensure you dress is to win scout player of the week and then you don't dress... that's BS.
 
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volfan_48 said:
That's funny. Most of the vets on the team notice the difference and have commented on it.
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Walkons have always been treated inferior to scholarship players.
Sounds like you or a walkon is butthurt. More of the thin skinned generation that needs more attention?
 
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I wish him the best, I always like to see a walk on succeed. I think he will disappear once the summer guys get here though. Either way I really like the way it seems that this team is excited and is flying around in these practices. Everything looks more exciting and interesting this spring compared to recent seasons.
 
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I'm not so sure that Carter will never see the field. The kid has a lot of talent. Got hurt his sr year in hs so he's not your typical walk-on. There is growing momentum for him to be placed on scholarship.
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