Our offensive schemes are on a different level

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Madscientistvol said:
It’s fun reading other fanbases amazed with how Hyatt is always wide open.
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UT has been masterful at getting him single covered by guys who have no hope of covering him. However as they diagrammed one of his UK TDs I noticed that the very minute a LB got involved in covering that side of the field... UK had already lost. If the safety had covered him deep then the other WR would have been open on the post.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
It’s fun reading other fanbases amazed with how Hyatt is always wide open.
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It's because we're using the NCAA 2014 Xbox playbook: The mirror glitch, audible glitch, hurry-up glitch, and various "money" plays. I'm waiting to see when we start using the WR direct glitch, Uncovered Receiver glitch (oh wait, we're already running that one), and the Double-man outside blitz glitch.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
One big difference I've noticed from last season; the pace is still fast, but there are times that Hooker holds the snap while a play is coming in from the sideline. My guess is that Golesh has seen something in the defensive alignment and is changing the play to take advantage of it. This staff just isn't getting out coached.
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THis was discussec heavily by the booth boys in the 2nd half. UT may have a "game plan" but thye analyze and call plays and change plays as the game unfolds based on how it's going. They literally have like 3 or so coaches doing all this analyzing and gettin plays called in like 4-10 second windows with the next playcall or 2 being hammered out ahead while they see the result of the current call, which in tunr determines which of the aforementioned calls will go in. I would say with my long history of successful football coaching, that alot of game plans have a series of pre-planned plays with minimal alternatives depending on in game adjustment needed, with the bulk of adjustments ast half-time.

Chip Kelly is the king of 4th and go for it. He says all of that is worked out during the week for every scenario where he will not punt. And they stick to that. so, it's apparent why he doesn't seem to put much thought into 4th downs on the sideline.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
It’s the schemes but it’s more so the speed at which they do it. It’s break neck and they catch you coverages you aren’t accustom to. They can’t sub like they want because Tennessee won’t allow it and the depth won’t be as much of an issue. I’d be worried if this was past teams where Georgia could stay fresh but I think it’s a safe bet that Hook, CJH, and CAG push the peddle a little further. We’ve seen a lot of new sets in the offense and I’m interested to see what they bring this week.

If Tennessee can win up front and stay on top of the twists and stunts they should be ok.
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Not allowing the D to sub gives you two things, you know their personnel on every play and can call plays accordingly. Also by forcing the same players to stay on the field they get tired, especially the DBs who have to run with our receivers on every play. This is one reason I believe we are so successful in the red zone. The D is dragging tongues by the time we get down there.

Georgia has lost at least one starter in the secondary and maybe an edge rusher? Conditioning and experienced depth could be a factor. If I understood Heup correctly, we will the healthiest going into this game than we have been all season.

I agree this one will certainly be won by the team that can control the LOS which will be the VOLS.
 
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njvols said:
I think we'll have a plan like Bama and KY at least in first half. Will have to anticipate heat from UGA DL/LB group, so will be important to scheme runs and quick passes in space to keep Hooker from being hit...obviously w/ some 1 on 1 shots down the field. Think we may adjust as the game evolves...but JH will have a plan. IF UGA has a weakness, it's their DBs aren't quite the same level as front 7, though obviously the toughest D we'll face.
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bama has a better pass rush and they were a non factor.
 
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Hooker said it best in a video when addressing the team...."Defense, go out there and get to it, offense, let's go do what we do."

Just another day at the office.
 
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I’m just guessing, but I think we are going to see defensive speed like we haven’t seen in the first 8 games. Can we beat it is the question.
GBO
 
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The stacked receivers on the edges, and the receiver swaps, with running choice routes based on defensive response is brilliant. Will he run a curl, deep slant or go route to draw the defense and open up another receiver or did they bite hard on who’s next to you and now you’re running free is a thing of beauty to watch in action. Add in the tempo of plays along with our multi headed run game and the secondary read/reaction time is nanoseconds.
You gotta love it unless you’re trying to defend it.
 
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The last person that I witnessed that could read a defense as well as CJH is Peyton Manning. He dissected the Defense of every team he played and was always prepared because he watched hours and hours of tapes on his opponents. CJH and his QB coach have been amazing this year getting HH4H prepared for the limelight. I hope Hendon can retain all this and move onto the pros for a successful career because since PM retired, there is no QB in the league who can emulate what #18 could do.

peyton5.jpg
 
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17Vols said:
I ask that question myself every game lately!😂 I know it’s a product of good scouting and a solid game plan, but damn, it’s not like he hasn’t done anything this season to warrant a little more attention from the defenses!
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It’s all about “pick your poison.” Double Hyatt and who do you leave open or at least covered in a bad match up? Either option is bad for a defense. He will be wide open during the GA game too. They can hep it. Go Vols.
 
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17Vols said:
I ask that question myself every game lately!😂 I know it’s a product of good scouting and a solid game plan, but damn, it’s not like he hasn’t done anything this season to warrant a little more attention from the defenses!
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The guy is freaky fast. He looks slow because he is so long and lean. Typical DB thinks, "I got this fool." Then boom he blows by and is seven yards ahead.
 
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TCNC53 said:
It’s all about “pick your poison.” Double Hyatt and who do you leave open or at least covered in a bad match up? Either option is bad for a defense. He will be wide open during the GA game too. They can hep it. Go Vols.
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Problem #1 - If you double Hyatt, you just sacrficed on of you DB's or LB's to tackle Bru or Keyton one on one in open field. That's an owie.

Problem #2 - If you do successfully double Hyatt, who has Tillman, Bru, and Keyton. And Squirrel had no problem getting open either. He just needs to learn to bring those catches on in before these other guys move on. He's prob a locked in starter next year if he gets sticky fingers. He was not afraid to lay himself out. And he was there and had hands on both big misses. Our receiving corp is scary and deep at the momnent.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So here's one element of our success.

Teams would have to re-tool how they play defense to be effective against our receivers.

Something as simple as: "cornerbacks line up on the receivers that are out on the edges, star takes the slot receiver, linebacker picks up any RB that squirts out, or receiver lined up as a wingback or second slot guy." You build your entire defense around this basic concept.

And then Tennessee goes and puts their best two receivers in the slot together. Or lined up at the wing. And they snap it so fast, even if the coach notices and starts yelling at the players to adjust, it's too late, the play has already started.

And the next series, the coaches having shifted EVERYTHING around so their best cornerbacks are now in the slot, or they've shifted to cover 2 zone, NOW the best receivers are way out on the edge, and the defenders are totally out of position to get to them in time.

And so it goes, the entire game. No defense is built for what Heupel & Golesh do. They would have to redesign their entire defensive playbook to suit it.

Will they one day start doing this? Probably. Once Tennessee becomes THE team to beat in the East, all the teams in the East will start re-tooling their schemes and playbooks in an effort to catch up. I mean, this is a lot of extra effort, but they'll do it because they have to.

The West teams won't do it, at least not in the next few years, because they don't play us annually.

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And meanwhile, offenses will begin to adopt some version of the veer & shoot / run & shoot / air raid / spread, because they see the success it can bring. And by "adopt" I mean fire coaching staffs that aren't winning enough, and hire guys from the run & shoot / air raid cabal (Hal Mumme, June Jones, Art Briles, Mike Leach acolytes).

More and more, this is what offensive football looks like at the uppermost tier of the college game. [and begins to spread into the lower tiers, as well as more and more up into the NFL]

Thirty years from now, this is college football. What folks see when they watch the Vols in 2022 is what they see when they watch any successful team in 2050.

It sparked starting in the 1990s or so, and continued to burn like embers through the 2000s and 2010s. Josh Heupel and the Vols are going to make it mainstream.

We are the future of football.

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Sorry, got off topic. But I've been thinking about this for a while now, wanted to get it out there. This seemed a decent thread for it.

Go Vols!
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I agree 100%! People don't understand how schematically we are putting a defense in a bind from the start while also making it easy for the QB to read. We will see football change because of what is happening right here at TN due to CJH.
 
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farmdogvol said:
CJH knows how to scheme and UT has great receivers. On Hyatt's first TD, he swapped places with Tillman and wound up on a linebacker. The LB Passed him off to the safety who was over the top. The safety dropped down to help the CB who was on Tillman on a deep crossing post route. Hyatt was then wide open. If the safety had stayed up top then Tillman would have been open on his deep crosser. He might not have scored a TD but it would have been a big gainer. Nobody has the CB's to cover both Tillman and Hyatt on deep balls. Then with McCoy's size and strength on short to midrange passes it is a deadly combo that nobody has been able to handle. Add the TE's and RB's into the picture and you have an offensive nightmare nobody can handle.
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They could have covered it but then Hooker would have had 30 yards of open field to run in.
 
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I have been to every home game this year. I am a strategist in my work, so I have been really intrigued just watching the offensive show.

From the first game of season to starting especially with Florida and then the Alabama game it seems to me the offensive has so much more going on scheme wise.

There is so much movement sometimes from the original line up in the CJH offense that several times I saw the KY secondary standing almost flat footed straight up trying to determine how they should cover.

I think facing UT this year is really confusing defenses on their assignments and this is why WRs are so open. Then you add speed and it looks like the UT offense is in a league of their own.

I have re-watched several games on TV on Sunday but the view on TV just doesn’t show the movement and the defensive being confused like you can from 50 rows up looking over whole field.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So here's one element of our success.

And meanwhile, offenses will begin to adopt some version of the veer & shoot / run & shoot / air raid / spread, because they see the success it can bring. And by "adopt" I mean fire coaching staffs that aren't winning enough, and hire guys from the run & shoot / air raid cabal (Hal Mumme, June Jones, Art Briles, Mike Leach acolytes).

More and more, this is what offensive football looks like at the uppermost tier of the college game. [and begins to spread into the lower tiers, as well as more and more up into the NFL]

Thirty years from now, this is college football. What folks see when they watch the Vols in 2022 is what they see when they watch any successful team in 2050.

It sparked starting in the 1990s or so, and continued to burn like embers through the 2000s and 2010s. Josh Heupel and the Vols are going to make it mainstream.

We are the future of football.

Sorry, got off topic. But I've been thinking about this for a while now, wanted to get it out there. This seemed a decent thread for it.

Go Vols!
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^^ THIS👍 ^^

i alluded to same thought in post yesterday (e.g. thinking of “changing the game” part of MoneyBall).

Vols are tied for #2 because of one AP voter
 
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