Our new Baseball Coach

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Dave Serrano-Cal State Fullerton
Currently 17-4(conf) 37-14(overall)
As HC at CSF 134-56
As HC at UC Irvine 114-66-1
Dave Serrano has been a top recruiter. Consistent winner, at CSF 40+ wins in each season. Has been to the CWS once at CSF and at UC Irvine. Spent two seasons as pitching coach at UT under Delmonico. Current salary $150,000


Dan McDonnell - Louisville HC
185-77 (4 seasons) as HC @ Louisville
Has been to one CWS, 2 NCAA regional and 1 super regional. He spent 6 years at Ole Miss as an assistant. 2010 he won 50 games. He lost 6 players to the draft so 2011 has been subpar. current salary $140,000

Tim Esmay-Arizona State University
Currently 14-7 (conf) 36-13 (overall)
2010 record 20-7 (conf) 47-8 (overall)
Esmay was interim coach in 2010 at ASU,after several seasons as an assistant. In 8 seasons as HC at Utah he was 213-235-1. In his first season at Utah he won the WAC. The next 7 season the best finish was second.
current salary: $ 175,000

Some others:

Bobby Pierce-Troy - 817-390 (overall ) Bama graduate
Gary Gilmore-Coastal Carolina 609-303 (overall)
Brian Shoop- UAB - 802-425-1 (overall)
Tim Corbin-Vandy (why leave Vandy?)
Pat Shine- UC Irvine Associate HC, heir apparent to Mike Gillespie (if you want to take a risk, this would be a good candidate)


Any other candidates?

Kevin McMullan - Associate HC at UVA. 2009 Asst. of the Year. Recruiting coordinator, hitting coach and works with infielders and catchers. Top ranked team at 45-6 with .309 BA and .981 fielding pct.
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[99gator]

Thanks for the input, I was unaware.

kind of helps the odds of the next coach being an upgrade, doesn't it

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

Wrong. Rock bottom is a team without scholarships...A team in NCAA trouble.

Raleigh is a bad coach.

The team is in a bad place.

The facilities are not bad. The roster is not terrible.

We will spend 400k plus and end up with a coach who is TONS better than Raleigh.

 

[vol66]

Thanks! This was great.

I had two other suggestions:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-baseball/128202-todd-raleigh-you-fired.html

My only concern about some of the people from the West Coast who have been very successful is whether or not they could recruit great players to Tennessee.

Ah, you just like it 'cause it was long

I don't see a current SEC coach wanting to leave to come here and work for Hamilton, that's why I'm not including any, other than Corbin. I think even Vandy would match us dollar for dollar.

I know the west Coast guys are a hard pull, baseball year around out there, so it's about the dough and we have that.

Truth is most of the guys on the current list and a few SEC coaches could have been gotten last time around imo.

 

[99gator]

Wrong. Rock bottom is a team without scholarships...A team in NCAA trouble.

Raleigh is a bad coach.

The team is in a bad place.

The facilities are not bad. The roster is not terrible.

We will spend 400k plus and end up with a coach who is TONS better than Raleigh.

the second string on most sec squads could take tennessee behind the woodshed

 

[vol66]

Kevin McMullan - Associate HC at UVA. 2009 Asst. of the Year. Recruiting coordinator, hitting coach and works with infielders and catchers. Top ranked team at 45-6 with .309 BA and .981 fielding pct.
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Added, thanks!

 

[vol66]

Wrong. Rock bottom is a team without scholarships...A team in NCAA trouble.

Raleigh is a bad coach.

The team is in a bad place.

The facilities are not bad. The roster is not terrible.

We will spend 400k plus and end up with a coach who is TONS better than Raleigh.

Dude...we're 12th in a twelve team league. We're 6-22 in the SEC. How's the roster for next year look? I'm glad we don't have NCAA issues hanging over THIS program, but if this isin't rock bottom what is it? I hate the Gators.

 

[99gator]

mikehamiltonfan

seriously, go look up the stats at secsports.com for sec games only.

tennessee is last in almost every category. usually a distant last. it's truly frightening.

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

I do not think you and I are on the same page.

This team sucks. I am not denying that. But to some degree they suck like the Tennessee football team losing to Wyoming.

They literally hate their coach. That has been the case for some of them for 2 years now. Last year there was open dissension.

They are not as devastated in making this hire as they were when Delmonico had them in a HUGE APR hole.

Now they are okay. They can get a good coach, he can bring in plenty of studs and get the team turned around. Winning 8 games in the SEC will be okay for next year. By year 2 with a coach who doesnt suck, (2013) we should again be a relevant team, making the top 8 in the SEC (towards the bottom of that group) and making the NCAAs.

 

[vol66]

I do not think you and I are on the same page.

This team sucks. I am not denying that. But to some degree they suck like the Tennessee football team losing to Wyoming.

They literally hate their coach. That has been the case for some of them for 2 years now. Last year there was open dissension.

They are not as devastated in making this hire as they were when Delmonico had them in a HUGE APR hole.

Now they are okay. They can get a good coach, he can bring in plenty of studs and get the team turned around. Winning 8 games in the SEC will be okay for next year. By year 2 with a coach who doesnt suck, (2013) we should again be a relevant team, making the top 8 in the SEC (towards the bottom of that group) and making the NCAAs.

"Not on the same page" is that directed at me?

"This team sucks", "they literally hate their coach", "for two years"," winning 8 games(sounds familiar) will be okay"

Your words.


No, we most definitely are not on the same page.

 

[altidore17]

alti,
I would say respectfully, but you deserve no respect.

Baseball has 12 scholarships. Losing two represents roughly 16% of scholarships...

Tell me, if a football team lost 13 scholarships, do you think that would impact who wanted to come coach them?

That's your argument? Really? You can get scholarships back in the blink of an eye. Coaches would not be scared away by losing a couple of schollys for a year or two. No one in baseball has 100% scholarship anyways, so actually it's probably the best sport to lose scholarships anyways if you think about it.

Bottom line is Hamilton does not do his homework when hiring people.. Raleigh is a glorified t-ball coach who doesn't deserve to be the head of an SEC team with probably the 2nd nicest facilities in the SEC behind Vandy. His recruiting and awful coaching have run this program into the ground, and it's going to take atleast 5-7 years to get back to where we were at the height of Delmonico's success.

I won't even mention all the talent Raliegh has run off since he's been here.. cough Jeff Lockwood cough.

 

[Hobock]

Lockwood was doing all the coughing.
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[MikeHamiltonFan]

"Not on the same page" is that directed at me?

"This team sucks", "they literally hate their coach", "for two years"," winning 8 games(sounds familiar) will be okay"

Your words.


No, we most definitely are not on the same page.

No I was talking to the gator.

You and I are I think close to the same page.

I think the roster is better than it played this year under a coach they despise. You seem to follow the team closely so you know that there will not be tears and rending of garments when Raleigh is canned.
When I heard he told a player whose dad had committed suicide that he knew why after a tough AB where the kid struck out I wanted him not only fired, I wanted to punch him in the face.

We have good facilities that can even get better, and we can get tons better with a great coaching hire.

I just think it is strange that people will act like there is no difference between hiring with a full scholarship group, and hiring with scholarships gone because of APR problems. It is radically different. Anyone in the coaching profession would agree with that.

Our problem by the way has not been winning OOC, it has been winning in the SEC. Telling a guy "come coach our team, we are down 6-8 players but you can still win in the SEC" is a joke.

Tennessee is ready to become relevant again. A better hire than Raleigh could have been made, but not as good of a hire as we are about to make. That is because of the giant hole that Delmonico dug.

 

[vol66]

No I was talking to the gator.

You and I are I think close to the same page.

I think the roster is better than it played this year under a coach they despise. You seem to follow the team closely so you know that there will not be tears and rending of garments when Raleigh is canned.
When I heard he told a player whose dad had committed suicide that he knew why after a tough AB where the kid struck out I wanted him not only fired, I wanted to punch him in the face.

We have good facilities that can even get better, and we can get tons better with a great coaching hire.

I just think it is strange that people will act like there is no difference between hiring with a full scholarship group, and hiring with scholarships gone because of APR problems. It is radically different. Anyone in the coaching profession would agree with that.

Our problem by the way has not been winning OOC, it has been winning in the SEC. Telling a guy "come coach our team, we are down 6-8 players but you can still win in the SEC" is a joke.

Tennessee is ready to become relevant again. A better hire than Raleigh could have been made, but not as good of a hire as we are about to make. That is because of the giant hole that Delmonico dug.

I don't even know where to begin. If all you say is true, he should have been fired two years ago.

Facilities are a nice draw for recruits, families and fans, but they don't matter if you don't win.

Coach Martin will likely be down some schollys, but I don't expect him to be 12th in a twelve team league after 4 years, with no post season...EVER.

Kiffin is " the worst mistake" Hamilton has said he made. Raleigh coaches baseball, so he's down the list anyway. If MH knew about the "suicide comment" he should just go on a long vaction with Raleigh.

Just to be clear though...Our APR is good, so there is no reason we shouldn't hire the best coach that money can buy...in other words...the next Saban of college baseball?

 

[altidore17]

Lockwood was doing all the coughing.
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So do 1/2 of college athletes. Lockwood was Raleigh's example from day 1, as soon as TR got here he used him as an example to the other players as to what would happen if they didn't play "the Raleigh way". I don't know if he's even playing ball this year, sad story.

And to add to that if a kid is struggling with his own personal issue, then don't come in and single him out from day one. That's pretty harsh to do to a 20 yr old kid. But I digress..

 

[Hobock]

So do 1/2 of college athletes. Lockwood was Raleigh's example from day 1, as soon as TR got here he used him as an example to the other players as to what would happen if they didn't play "the Raleigh way". I don't know if he's even playing ball this year, sad story.

And to add to that if a kid is struggling with his own personal issue, then don't come in and single him out from day one. That's pretty harsh to do to a 20 yr old kid. But I digress..

Raleigh had bigger whipping posts than Lockwood. Ask Gomes and Griffin. Raleigh resented ALL of Ray Ban's kids. Raleigh was so bad that it's plausible that Hammy approved and/or encouraged his behavior.

Lockwood had unfortunate circumstances combined with poor personal choices. He lost HIS coach and had to follow up a Freshman All-American season. Tons of freakin pressure on a kid.
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[99gator]

No I was talking to the gator.

You and I are I think close to the same page.

I think the roster is better than it played this year under a coach they despise. You seem to follow the team closely so you know that there will not be tears and rending of garments when Raleigh is canned.
When I heard he told a player whose dad had committed suicide that he knew why after a tough AB where the kid struck out I wanted him not only fired, I wanted to punch him in the face.

We have good facilities that can even get better, and we can get tons better with a great coaching hire.

I just think it is strange that people will act like there is no difference between hiring with a full scholarship group, and hiring with scholarships gone because of APR problems. It is radically different. Anyone in the coaching profession would agree with that.

Our problem by the way has not been winning OOC, it has been winning in the SEC. Telling a guy "come coach our team, we are down 6-8 players but you can still win in the SEC" is a joke.

Tennessee is ready to become relevant again. A better hire than Raleigh could have been made, but not as good of a hire as we are about to make. That is because of the giant hole that Delmonico dug.

i stick with what i said earlier.

there is no way on god's green earth that tennessee should be this bad. loss of a couple of scholarships due to APR or not.

that's all i am saying.

so, if they are terrible because raleigh can't coach, or they hate raleigh, or they lack talent, or all of the above.......it doesn't matter to me. (all of the above is the correct answer by the way)

this is one of those occasions where the record doesn't even speak to how bad they are. the statistics (against conference competition) are unlike anything i have ever seen.

they were swept multiple times by a combined score of somewhere in the 30's to somewhere in the single digits.

this is the 4th year for the program. we're not talking about not getting to omaha. we're not talking about not winning a regional. hell, we're not even talking about making it to hoover for the sec tourney. we're talking about being competitive. they aren't competitive.

you mention all the facilities that tennessee has and everything it has going for it. yet, a loss of a couple of schollies can reduce the program to this.

let me tell you something, this tennessee squad would want no part of any of the florida schools (and i'm not talking miami, fl, fl state). i'm talking about stetson, florida atlantic, ucf, ju, florida international, unf, etc, etc, etc.

are you going to tell me that a loss of a couple scholarships due to apr is responsible for this level of horrible?

 

[MikeHamiltonFan]

Look

The loss of a couple of scholarships meant that we couldn't get a very good coach

Todd Raleigh combined being a bad coach with being an angry disciplinarian. He is like bobby knights rants without coaching acumen or success.

So the APR contributed to hiring a bad coach and Raleigh sucked it up...both are true.
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[99gator]

Look

The loss of a couple of scholarships meant that we couldn't get a very good coach

Todd Raleigh combined being a bad coach with being an angry disciplinarian. He is like bobby knights rants without coaching acumen or success.

So the APR contributed to hiring a bad coach and Raleigh sucked it up...both are true.
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I understand the point now.

The loss of a couple of schollies should not resulted in a hire as bad as raleigh.

I don't buy that
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[Thump]

Raleigh had bigger whipping posts than Lockwood. Ask Gomes and Griffin. Raleigh resented ALL of Ray Ban's kids. Raleigh was so bad that it's plausible that Hammy approved and/or encouraged his behavior.

Lockwood had unfortunate circumstances combined with poor personal choices. He lost HIS coach and had to follow up a Freshman All-American season. Tons of freakin pressure on a kid.
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Just out of curiousity, what was the deal with Lockwood? I mean I know Raleigh treated him terrible and that in the end is why he left, but what are the "poor personal choices" you are refering to. I am not arguing that he didn't make them. I'm just out of the loop.

 

[NYYVol]

I understand the point now.

The loss of a couple of schollies should not resulted in a hire as bad as raleigh.

I don't buy that
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As you shouldn't buy it. Raleigh was a catastrophically bad hire.
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[99gator]

As you shouldn't buy it. Raleigh was a catastrophically bad hire.
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Having thought about it, there is no doubt I would rather take the job following delmonico than raleigh.

The new coach has to live with getting his face kicked in for at least 2 years
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[Hobock]

Just out of curiousity, what was the deal with Lockwood? I mean I know Raleigh treated him terrible and that in the end is why he left, but what are the "poor personal choices" you are refering to. I am not arguing that he didn't make them. I'm just out of the loop.

I'm not gonna air-out anymore dirty laundry. My point was that Lockwood has some responsibility concerning him leaving UT.
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[NYYVol]

I'm not gonna air-out anymore dirty laundry. My point was that Lockwood has some responsibility concerning him leaving UT.
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And that is 100% correct.
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[altidore17]

Raleigh had bigger whipping posts than Lockwood. Ask Gomes and Griffin. Raleigh resented ALL of Ray Ban's kids. Raleigh was so bad that it's plausible that Hammy approved and/or encouraged his behavior.

Lockwood had unfortunate circumstances combined with poor personal choices. He lost HIS coach and had to follow up a Freshman All-American season. Tons of freakin pressure on a kid.
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Just sucked to see a hometown kid who was that good get run off, I remember he put up huge numbers for CN his senior season. Do you know if he ended up getting drafted or what he's doing now? Couldn't find it anywhere.