Our Defense is Better Than Perceived

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It was probably inevitable. We knew going into the Bowling Green game that BG had an incredible passing attack, led by a likely future NFL QB, a strong and experienced O-line, and several incredible receivers. We also knew their defense was horrific last year.

Yet, when we struggled against one of the best passing attacks in the nation, but ran at will against one of the worst defenses, Vol fans, football analysts, and other commentators immediately have jumped to the conclusion that the Vols offense is much better than expected and the defense has major issues. Both assessments are premature and ignore our opponent.

Defense: Better than Realized

Let's start off with the defense. It's easy to say that the secondary looked terrible, but that analysis misses what was going on. This was a perfect storm and an almost worst case scenario for our secondary and they actually held up OK given the circumstances.

I've already pointed out that BG was loaded in the passing game. I don't think it's a stretch to say that BG's passing offense would be competitive in the SEC, Big 12, or Pac-12. (It's their D and lack of balance that would hold them back.)

But let's also point out one of the main functions of the Art Briles styled hurry up, no huddle offense: to neutralize strong pass rushing teams. It's not a coincidence that Alabama's excellent defensive front struggled against Texas A&M's passing attack in the Johnny Manziel years.

Without a strong pass rush, this style of offense puts tremendous pressure on the secondary. As it so happens, our secondary had been decimated by injuries, illnesses, and other problems over the past few weeks. Add in a suspended coach, and you really have a perfect storm.

Given all this, I think our secondary performed relatively well. Yes, it's impossible to ignore BG completing several long passes against our DBs in the late 1st Quarter / early to mid 2nd Quarter, but what's important to note is that we managed to make excellent adjustments after that disastrous period.

We were up 21-3 before that. During that period, they outscored us 17-0. From the 3rd Quarter on, we outscored them 24-10.

From this, I conclude that we played them very well early on. They found a weakness and exploited it mercilessly for about 10 minutes of game time. We adjusted after that and once again dominated them.

I tend to agree with sjt that people are ignoring a bigger issue: our D-line not getting much pressure. Sure BG's offense is designed to neutralize pressure, but given our depth and talent on the D-line, I think it was a pretty big disappointment that we weren't able to get more pressure anyway. Matt Johnson was mostly sitting back there comfortable with time to throw to his speedy WRs. I'm not sure what the issue was, but I thought that the D-line looked like a bigger issue of concern than the secondary.

Hopefully, we see some improvement in the coming weeks. It should at least be noted that our defense did a very good job defending the run.


Offense: Issues Lurking Beneath the Surface

Our offense looked like world beaters against Bowling Green, but I think some of the issues are being ignored. First off, I will say that the O-line looked much better in rushing situations than last year. It's true that BG is not the best defense out there, but our O-line struggled in the running game even against inferior opponents last year. We looked dominant in the run game against BG, which is a positive sign, even if we won't have as easy of a time against teams like Bama, UGA, and Florida.

That said, I thought our pass protection looked problematic. We only gave up one big sack, but there were a few hurry situations, and the O-line seemed to be barely hanging on at times against a very weak pass rush. When you add in the fact that we ran the ball in 64 out of 87 plays (or about 75% of the time), and the defense was much more focused on stopping the run, than getting a good pass rush, I would say that this could be a bad sign.

Overall, I think it's a mixed bag for the O-line. If we don't improve in pass protection, we could struggle against teams like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mizzou, and Oklahoma, where we might not be able to simply line up and cram the ball down their throats 3 out of 4 plays.

Stat-wise, Dobbs played well, but missed too many opportunities to hit open receivers. It didn't really matter against BG, but it could matter against much better competition. Can't really fault Dobbs too much, because it was clear that the rushing game was generally the superior, lower-risk option against BG, but it still leaves some question marks for us in the future. Hopefully, Dobbs shows us a bit more in the upcoming weeks.

Tough to say anything bad about the rushing game, though. It looked like one of our dominant attacks from the late 90s.

Overall Synopsis

In spite of the grand pronouncements about this game, I think we only learned so much. The offense was not tested at all, whereas the defense was tested big-time. the offense looked incredible, while the defense struggled at times, but found a way to make the right adjustments.

Overall, there's no reason to panic about the D. I would still be concerned about the depth in the secondary with McNeil and Gaulden out (those injuries looked big in this game), and I would have some concerns about the pass rush (it needs to improve for us to compete for the SEC East). Our LBs didn't always look great, either, but this is a BG team that will likely put up 40 and 50 points against some other teams, so no reason to get too worried here.

The line in the Oklahoma game currently favors Oklahoma by about 1 point. Based on what we saw in Week #1, I think that's about right. This should be considered a toss-up game for now. Oklahoma dominated in Week #1, but it was against weak competition. We looked mostly impressive, but struggled at times, but it was against a team that much higher quality. I'm kind of happy we played BG the first game, because I think it will help us against Oklahoma's passing attack.

Can't wait for next Saturday. GO BIG ORANGE!
 
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Need more of this:

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The same thread was started last yr after every game we couldn't run the ball against high school teams...lol

If you have a great def it shows against every team.. not we will give them 600 yards of off but next week we play ou so we will step it up..

We have issues just can they mask them enough to beat OU? I don't know but sat will tell us.
 
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That said, I thought our pass protection looked problematic. We only gave up one big sack, but there were a few hurry situations, and the O-line seemed to be barely hanging on at times against a very weak pass rush. When you add in the fact that we ran the ball in 64 out of 87 plays (or about 75% of the time), and the defense was much more focused on stopping the run, than getting a good pass rush, I would say that this could be a bad sign.

Overall, I think it's a mixed bag for the O-line. If we don't improve in pass protection, we could struggle against teams like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mizzou, and Oklahoma, where we might not be able to simply line up and cram the ball down their throats 3 out of 4 plays.

Overall, a very good post, but regarding this part, I would say the pressure on Dobbs came mostly in obvious passing situations, so the defense was not primarily focused on the run in those situations.

I gave the OL an A- grade for the game. But to restate the obvious, we really won't find out how much the OL has improved until this Saturday. However, I'm very encouraged by the fact that they didn't struggle against an inferior DL.
 
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I think the Defense key players was just trying to do too much, a bit panic because a very good BG senior laden Offense was hitting on all cylinders.

Offense will need to play better than it did on Saturday against OU because of the O-line, we are still week on the Tackles but the center position seem to be better than expected with C. Thomas.

OU had issues with there Oline on Saturday, so it could be a wash between ours and their especially at Neyland.

OU defense looked good but the competition was weak at best.
 
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So let me get this straight. We knew going into the BG green that a MAC team had the best passing attack in the nation, would put up over 400 yards passing, put up almost 600 total yards and make our defense look like swiss cheese. And because we knew all of that Butch decided to run a vanilla game plan? Seems absolutely legit.
 
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While this write-up could be a load of specious drivel, my gut says it's an expression of reasonable and sincerely held beliefs and another testament to the rapidly improving quality of analysis and general discourse we've been fortunate enough to experience around here lately.
 
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Ok so we should expect him to have many more career high games this season right?

I was being sarcastic yall are right this defense isn't going to change into the 85 bears between now and Saturday but Tennessee for ad long as i can remember has played down to inferior opponents. Many games come to mind. Meanwhile CSS was crushing every nobody team 70-6 and s***! J/s
 
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I didn't see Dobbs miss many opportunities at all, I saw a few drops or balls that should've been caught, but otherwise a very solid game
 
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It was probably inevitable. We knew going into the Bowling Green game that BG had an incredible passing attack, led by a likely future NFL QB, a strong and experienced O-line, and several incredible receivers. We also knew their defense was horrific last year.

Yet, when we struggled against one of the best passing attacks in the nation, but ran at will against one of the worst defenses, Vol fans, football analysts, and other commentators immediately have jumped to the conclusion that the Vols offense is much better than expected and the defense has major issues. Both assessments are premature and ignore our opponent.

Defense: Better than Realized

Let's start off with the defense. It's easy to say that the secondary looked terrible, but that analysis misses what was going on. This was a perfect storm and an almost worst case scenario for our secondary and they actually held up OK given the circumstances.

I've already pointed out that BG was loaded in the passing game. I don't think it's a stretch to say that BG's passing offense would be competitive in the SEC, Big 12, or Pac-12. (It's their D and lack of balance that would hold them back.)

But let's also point out one of the main functions of the Art Briles styled hurry up, no huddle offense: to neutralize strong pass rushing teams. It's not a coincidence that Alabama's excellent defensive front struggled against Texas A&M's passing attack in the Johnny Manziel years.

Without a strong pass rush, this style of offense puts tremendous pressure on the secondary. As it so happens, our secondary had been decimated by injuries, illnesses, and other problems over the past few weeks. Add in a suspended coach, and you really have a perfect storm.

Given all this, I think our secondary performed relatively well. Yes, it's impossible to ignore BG completing several long passes against our DBs in the late 1st Quarter / early to mid 2nd Quarter, but what's important to note is that we managed to make excellent adjustments after that disastrous period.

We were up 21-3 before that. During that period, they outscored us 17-0. From the 3rd Quarter on, we outscored them 24-10.

From this, I conclude that we played them very well early on. They found a weakness and exploited it mercilessly for about 10 minutes of game time. We adjusted after that and once again dominated them.

I tend to agree with sjt that people are ignoring a bigger issue: our D-line not getting much pressure. Sure BG's offense is designed to neutralize pressure, but given our depth and talent on the D-line, I think it was a pretty big disappointment that we weren't able to get more pressure anyway. Matt Johnson was mostly sitting back there comfortable with time to throw to his speedy WRs. I'm not sure what the issue was, but I thought that the D-line looked like a bigger issue of concern than the secondary.

Hopefully, we see some improvement in the coming weeks. It should at least be noted that our defense did a very good job defending the run.


Offense: Issues Lurking Beneath the Surface

Our offense looked like world beaters against Bowling Green, but I think some of the issues are being ignored. First off, I will say that the O-line looked much better in rushing situations than last year. It's true that BG is not the best defense out there, but our O-line struggled in the running game even against inferior opponents last year. We looked dominant in the run game against BG, which is a positive sign, even if we won't have as easy of a time against teams like Bama, UGA, and Florida.

That said, I thought our pass protection looked problematic. We only gave up one big sack, but there were a few hurry situations, and the O-line seemed to be barely hanging on at times against a very weak pass rush. When you add in the fact that we ran the ball in 64 out of 87 plays (or about 75% of the time), and the defense was much more focused on stopping the run, than getting a good pass rush, I would say that this could be a bad sign.

Overall, I think it's a mixed bag for the O-line. If we don't improve in pass protection, we could struggle against teams like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mizzou, and Oklahoma, where we might not be able to simply line up and cram the ball down their throats 3 out of 4 plays.

Stat-wise, Dobbs played well, but missed too many opportunities to hit open receivers. It didn't really matter against BG, but it could matter against much better competition. Can't really fault Dobbs too much, because it was clear that the rushing game was generally the superior, lower-risk option against BG, but it still leaves some question marks for us in the future. Hopefully, Dobbs shows us a bit more in the upcoming weeks.

Tough to say anything bad about the rushing game, though. It looked like one of our dominant attacks from the late 90s.

Overall Synopsis

In spite of the grand pronouncements about this game, I think we only learned so much. The offense was not tested at all, whereas the defense was tested big-time. the offense looked incredible, while the defense struggled at times, but found a way to make the right adjustments.

Overall, there's no reason to panic about the D. I would still be concerned about the depth in the secondary with McNeil and Gaulden out (those injuries looked big in this game), and I would have some concerns about the pass rush (it needs to improve for us to compete for the SEC East). Our LBs didn't always look great, either, but this is a BG team that will likely put up 40 and 50 points against some other teams, so no reason to get too worried here.

The line in the Oklahoma game currently favors Oklahoma by about 1 point. Based on what we saw in Week #1, I think that's about right. This should be considered a toss-up game for now. Oklahoma dominated in Week #1, but it was against weak competition. We looked mostly impressive, but struggled at times, but it was against a team that much higher quality. I'm kind of happy we played BG the first game, because I think it will help us against Oklahoma's passing attack.

Can't wait for next Saturday. GO BIG ORANGE!
Nice, accurate assessment, Ghost. I think the OLs...both UT's and OU's...are going to look good and bad this coming Saturday, but from the last game's revelations, I'm more optimistic about our's than their's. As for an assessment of our overall packages: Anybody thinking the Vols were anything other than vanilla (seems to be the word of the week for looking back at BGSU), I think Butch may end up looking like a genius for not revealing any of Jancek's marvelous blitz and zone coverage packages, along with CMD's twin back and motion offensive alignments; plus who knows what else(?), and saving the good stuff for Stoops to guess on. All-in-all, this checkerboarded matchup has got to be every bit as unpredictable as is the equally compelling game of Oregon versus Michigan State. It's going to be a great Saturday for football in the USA.
 
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It was Bowling Green. C'mon man you are making them to be an NFL all pro team. We need to play much better. No excuses.
 
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The thing I noticed about Moesly(sp) was that he turned his hips the wrong way. He kept turning away from the WR causing him to have to do a 360. If he turns into the WR he doesn't lose a step. Had WM been there he would have caught it first time. After the delay all DB's turned their hips into contact witch slowed down the WR, and we were much better in coverage.
 
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If I am not mistaken usually Coach Martinez is in the press box helping c Coach Janzek with adjustments with a bird's eye view of the secondary, we had either a GA our quality control guy doing Martinez's job Saturday. Question tho did our defense not look schematically allot different Saturday than last year, players flipped to different sides more often and so on.
 
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I'm okay with them thinking our secondary is horrible. Hopefully there players think the same. I have no doubts we will be prepared for the game. Will we give up some huge gains in the passing game. Probably but nothing like we saw with BGSU. Glad this happened now rather than later.
 
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It was Bowling Green. C'mon man you are making them to be an NFL all pro team. We need to play much better. No excuses.

They actually do have a lot of offensive talent. And a very good system. We didn't play well enough no doubt. But that team will score a ton of points this year. 30 points in 88 plays isn't a nightmare. Hard to defend when the other QB was red hot for a while and threw a few absolutely perfect deep balls.
 
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I think the Defense key players was just trying to do too much, a bit panic because a very good BG senior laden Offense was hitting on all cylinders.

Offense will need to play better than it did on Saturday against OU because of the O-line, we are still week on the Tackles but the center position seem to be better than expected with C. Thomas.

OU had issues with there Oline on Saturday, so it could be a wash between ours and their especially at Neyland.

OU defense looked good but the competition was weak at best.

Tennessee’s Kyler Kerbyson on Monday was named SEC Offensive Lineman of the Week after helping the Vols collect 604 yards from scrimmage in last week’s 59-30 win over Bowling Green in Nashville’s Nissan Stadium. Kyler, please return your award. We were just playing.
 
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Guys I am just being honest. We don't look good defensively at all. I am afraid we are all about to be let down this season. Either way we are going to have to stick with Butch due to his recruiting and we can't take anymore coaching change. We are going to have to stick it out and hopefully can win enough to make a bowl game. That's my expectations now.
 

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