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Tennessean headline today, based on comments the players made yesterday, approx. 48 hours after PF was fired, says, "Some [not all, mind you] UT players feel poor play led to move."
Some UT players feel poor play led to move | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean

Brilliant. And they figure it out only 48 hours after their coach was fired. Players play poorly; coach is ultimately responsible for players; coach gets fired. Amazing skills of detection and deduction. You can't fool our guys; they have a keen grasp of the obvious. Notify Dick Tracy to park his squad car, and tell Sherlock Holmes he won't need to get on that international flight to come to Tennessee after all. Sheesh, I hope our new coach has a REALLY simple system to run, esp. on off., or next year's offense may look as bad as this year's.
 
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I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.
 
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I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.
My saying this is falling on deaf ears, you have better luck let me know...
 
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I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.


I agree!:salute:
 
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I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.

Agree
 
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Don't get me wrong. I am NOT going off on Briscoe for being mad at Hammy that the decision was all about money, b/c in the "new" world of intercollegiate athletics, donor $$ to fund the program is the bottom line. Also, I do NOT blame the players for being angry their coach was fired. Pretty much ALL players at ANY program who aren't in the coach's doghouse at the time of the firing are gonna be understandably upset and mad over it. That's 100% fine, and to be expected, even desired, as it shows their loyalty to their coach.

My point is that, barring an exteme, public incident that embarrasses the University, e.g., a DUI arrest with videotape, or Gary Moeller's drunken cursing fit and ejection from a restaurant, which got him canned from UM, coaches are almost always fired for a bad record, which was by definition the result of poor play. Duh! I'm not griping about their behavior, but the dumb lack of immediate understanding that "poor play" got CPF fired.

I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.
 
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My saying this is falling on deaf ears, you have better luck let me know...

my only beef is if they are this frustrated and talking about the fire and intensity they are going to put into the final three games, why did they have to wait until their leader, their family member, their friend and coach was canned? Man up from Day 1 and play like you have everything to lose from spring camp all the way til the new year. Don't start playing when the season is in the tank.
 
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Don't get me wrong. I am NOT going off on Briscoe for being mad at Hammy that the decision was all about money, b/c in the "new" world of intercollegiate athletics, donor $$ to fund the program is the bottom line. Also, I do NOT blame the players for being angry their coach was fired. Pretty much ALL players at ANY program who aren't in the coach's doghouse at the time of the firing are gonna be understandably upset and mad over it. That's 100% fine, and to be expected, even desired, as it shows their loyalty to their coach.

My point is that, barring an exteme, public incident that embarrasses the University, e.g., a DUI arrest with videotape, or Gary Moeller's drunken cursing fit and ejection from a restaurant, which got him canned from UM, coaches are almost always fired for a bad record, which was by definition the result of poor play. Duh! I'm not griping about their behavior, but the dumb lack of immediate understanding that "poor play" got CPF fired.

Im sure they have known that for a long time. Im also sure that they are answering questions in a way that they think will not get them in hot water. I just think this is no big deal and many are trying to turn it into one.
 
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No doubt in my mind you would never say that to his face.

I'd preface it with " You are literally my favorite football player ever and I love watching you play" (which is all true)...but yeah, I'd say it to his face.

Looking back in a week or two, he'll agree.
 
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and not to mention that these kid's moms read these post!

I'll give Berry some credit, he was a bit more composed on that podium-- but it was silly for any of the players to be up there. They all acted like fools at the initial conference and displayed one of the reasons Fulmer was forced to resign.
 
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Arian Foster doesn't think it's fair to place blame on the players or coaches? Who the hell should we blame then, cattle ranchers in Nebraska?

Fulmer has fostered an environment with ZERO accountability. THAT is why Fulmer is now history, and it took WAY too long for him to be fired.
 
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I find it funny that these guys are getting drilled for answering questions. How do you know they just figured it out? Their every word and action is being sliced and diced and I think it is uncalled for. Its done. MH made the tough but correct decision and CPF will be gone at the end of the season. These players have a strong connection to the coach and their reaction is understandable. As time moves there will be less and less. So lets give them a break and let them settle into the change.
I'd rather give a huge portion of the current roster transportation out of Knoxville.
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Arian Foster doesn't think it's fair to place blame on the players or coaches? Who the hell should we blame then, cattle ranchers in Nebraska?

Fulmer has fostered an environment with ZERO accountability. THAT is why Fulmer is now history, and it took WAY too long for him to be fired.

Fulmers actions at the press conference and the player reactions that have followed have made that pretty obvious hasn't it....

You've seen it on the field for years...it's just funny to see such a glaring example of it play out the way it has off the field the last few days
 
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Tennessean headline today, based on comments the players made yesterday, approx. 48 hours after PF was fired, says, "Some [not all, mind you] UT players feel poor play led to move."
Some UT players feel poor play led to move | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean

Brilliant. And they figure it out only 48 hours after their coach was fired. Players play poorly; coach is ultimately responsible for players; coach gets fired. Amazing skills of detection and deduction. You can't fool our guys; they have a keen grasp of the obvious. Notify Dick Tracy to park his squad car, and tell Sherlock Holmes he won't need to get on that international flight to come to Tennessee after all. Sheesh, I hope our new coach has a REALLY simple system to run, esp. on off., or next year's offense may look as bad as this year's.

Reading Comprehension > You

They only interviewed SOME of the players. Therefore, only SOME of the players were in position to take blame.

The interviews took place 48 hours after the firing. I guess for those on lower reading levels, the author should have said "I wrote this article two days after Fulmer resigned. I interviewed these players two days after Fulmer resigned. Most likely, they have had the feelings they expressed here since the firing. However, since I am just now interviewing them, I have to preface my article by saying "two days."

Most sports articles aren't exactly new news. They fill up space. When a reporter asks "Do you think your performance had anything to do with Fulmer's resignation" or "Are the players or coaches more to blame here?" what do you expect them to say??? Maybe you'd enjoy if they said "You know, I'm not going to answer that question, because the answer is apparent to all. Instead, I'm going to talk about a recipe for my mother's baked spaghetti, because not everyone knows how to make that."

Long story short: YOU'RE READING INTO THESE FILLER PIECES TOO MUCH.
 
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Arian Foster doesn't think it's fair to place blame on the players or coaches? Who the hell should we blame then, cattle ranchers in Nebraska?

Fulmer has fostered an environment with ZERO accountability. THAT is why Fulmer is now history, and it took WAY too long for him to be fired.

He was saying that you can't blame just the players, or just the coaches. He said that everyone is to blame. Here, I'll help.

"I don't think that's fair to put it on [JUST] the players or [JUST] the coaches," senior tailback Arian Foster said. "We're a collective team [THAT TAKES THE BLAME AS A WHOLE]."
 
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He was saying that you can't blame just the players, or just the coaches. He said that everyone is to blame. Here, I'll help.

"I don't think that's fair to put it on [JUST] the players or [JUST] the coaches," senior tailback Arian Foster said. "We're a collective team [THAT TAKES THE BLAME AS A WHOLE]."

It's nothing more than an attempt to not accept personal responsibility, which is a VERY LONG STANDING TRADITION UNDER FULMER.
 
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It's nothing more than an attempt to accept personal responsibility, which is a VERY LONG STANDING TRADITION UNDER FULMER.

You've either just said the opposite of your previous point, or else you're being sarcastic.
 
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Thanks for the condescension, but after all, I received both of my degrees, including my doctorate (which in a manner of speaking largely involves reading comprehension), from UTK, so I'm prolly purty stoopid, what with that publik edgumacasheeun and such as that.

First, did I ever say he interviewed ALL the players? The overall tone of the article was to imply the players interviewed were a representative sample reflecting the "feeling" of the team. This is not a lawsuit, something I know a little about, but you appear to be the one nit-picking through the article as if it was a proposed collective bargaining agreement for a new labor deal with a Fortune 500 company.

Second, your assumption, based on nothing, is that all the players not interviewed WERE well aware of it.

Third, you make MY point about the 48 hour delay, clearly stated in my initial post. This should have been enough time to have passed since the press conference for a bit more circumspect responses. Yes, more slack should indeed be cut at the time of the conference itself, and I personally have no problem with Berry or Foster's remarks at the time, but if you weren't gonna say it shortly after the conference, waiting two days DOES allow for the very reasonable, permissive inference that it took you a while to figure it out.

Again, you claim I have no basis to make assumptions, but how can you possibly assume that even if they didn't say it 'til 48 hours later, they knew it all along? As someone else posted above, I have to believe that if they had indeed "known it all along," they woulda/shoulda known it since the UCLA game, and poor as we were on offense, we would have certainly beaten both UCLA and Auburn with just a bit more effort.

I agree with you that you can't take all media stories as gospel, but these were simple, direct quotes IMO. Where was the "spin" here?

Last, your spaghetti answer was indeed far and away better than what the players actually said, and I would have found a quick, "The answer is obvious, isn't it?" to be best, but would have under the circumstances been OK w/a bit of non-profane smart-aleck rhetoric such as: "Well, of course it did. And of course we feel bad about it. And 2 + 2 = 4, too, in case you were wondering."





Reading Comprehension > You

They only interviewed SOME of the players. Therefore, only SOME of the players were in position to take blame.

The interviews took place 48 hours after the firing. I guess for those on lower reading levels, the author should have said "I wrote this article two days after Fulmer resigned. I interviewed these players two days after Fulmer resigned. Most likely, they have had the feelings they expressed here since the firing. However, since I am just now interviewing them, I have to preface my article by saying "two days."

Most sports articles aren't exactly new news. They fill up space. When a reporter asks "Do you think your performance had anything to do with Fulmer's resignation" or "Are the players or coaches more to blame here?" what do you expect them to say??? Maybe you'd enjoy if they said "You know, I'm not going to answer that question, because the answer is apparent to all. Instead, I'm going to talk about a recipe for my mother's baked spaghetti, because not everyone knows how to make that."

Long story short: YOU'RE READING INTO THESE FILLER PIECES TOO MUCH.
 
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Thanks for the condescension, but after all, I received both of my degrees, including my doctorate (which in a manner of speaking largely involves reading comprehension), from UTK, so I'm prolly purty stoopid, what with that publik edgumacasheeun and such as that.

First, did I ever say he interviewed ALL the players? The overall tone of the article was to imply the players interviewed were a representative sample reflecting the "feeling" of the team. This is not a lawsuit, something I know a little about, but you appear to be the one nit-picking through the article as if it was a proposed collective bargaining agreement for a new labor deal with a Fortune 500 company.

Second, your assumption, based on nothing, is that all the players not interviewed WERE well aware of it.

Third, you make MY point about the 48 hour delay, clearly stated in my initial post. This should have been enough time to have passed since the press conference for a bit more circumspect responses. Yes, more slack should indeed be cut at the time of the conference itself, and I personally have no problem with Berry or Foster's remarks at the time, but if you weren't gonna say it shortly after the conference, waiting two days DOES allow for the very reasonable, permissive inference that it took you a while to figure it out.

Again, you claim I have no basis to make assumptions, but how can you possibly assume that even if they didn't say it 'til 48 hours later, they knew it all along? As someone else posted above, I have to believe that if they had indeed "known it all along," they woulda/shoulda known it since the UCLA game, and poor as we were on offense, we would have certainly beaten both UCLA and Auburn with just a bit more effort.

I agree with you that you can't take all media stories as gospel, but these were simple, direct quotes IMO. Where was the "spin" here?

Last, your spaghetti answer was indeed far and away better than what the players actually said, and I would have found a quick, "The answer is obvious, isn't it?" to be best, but would have under the circumstances been OK w/a bit of non-profane smart-aleck rhetoric such as: "Well, of course it did. And of course we feel bad about it. And 2 + 2 = 4, too, in case you were wondering."

I don't worry about what players say in interviews. Those reporters ask structured questions expecting certain answers. They hope and pray that they can get the athletes to say something damning about the team/coaches/fans so that their story, and name, gets spread around. I'm almost 100% positive that they said "Is it the players' or coaches' fault that this season has gone so poorly, and that Fulmer has been fired?"

It seems that some players feel it was their fault, while others believe it was a combination of coach/player. I see it as the 2nd option. Poor coaching and poor player effort. The players are taking no in-game responsibility, and the coaches are letting it slide in hopes that it'll fix itself.
 
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