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[Orange_Crush]

This guy is interesting. Norvell's team looked a lot more mature then Feunte's. he's only one 1 game though. Can he do 12 UCLA's a year?

People dogged Butch from day one because we hired a mid-Major guy. Now people want a Memphis coach with just over a year's experience as a head coach. I don't get it.

Personally, I'd like to see more resume.

 

[JMSqb11]

Dan Mullen? Didn't Mississippi State fans want him fired last year?

No they didn't. They have never wanted him gone. The last 3 years they have been in constant freakout of losing him to other schools. He could have walked into Florida that last two hirings, but didn't want to leave Starkville. He could have walked into the Penn State job, but didn't want to leave Starkville. There hasn't been a time in the last 3-4 years where State fans wanted him fired.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Mullen is recruiting to Starkville. He's doing more with less than just about anyone in the conference. It's not the win/loss thing though when looking at a coach; it's how prepared their teams are and how they compete. Mullen is taking three star players and competing against the four and five stars at places like Bama, LSU, and Ole Miss.

He competed with South Alabama, BYU and Kentucky by losing to them last year while going 6-7.

His SEC West record is horrible, he hasn't been competing... he had one decent year, you remove that year he is basically last in the West.... actually over time Miss State has been probably the worst in the West since he has been there.

Is he a solid coach? Sure, solid coach. Is he better than Butch? I don't know if I am sold on that.

Just be sure to bring your checkbook because he is making $5m a year or close to it.... and he doesn't have to win. Basically, you have to pay him $7m+ if not more... why would he leave Miss State anyway? They are happy giving him extensions for finishing 5th in the West.

 

[JMSqb11]

People dogged Butch from day one because we hired a mid-Major guy. Now people want a Memphis coach with just over a year's experience as a head coach. I don't get it.

Personally, I'd like to see more resume.

That is why I don't Fuente. Norvell's offense won't work here. He's a west coast guy just waiting on a head coach offer.

 

[Jmyers1033]

Les Miles would be a Dooleyesque disaster for this program. He was Butch before there ever was a Butch.

The other two would be great, but Stoops is a pipe dream at best and Mullen might not be in play, either.

100% agree with you on the statement! I cant say this enough, The game has passed Les Miles up!

 

[GVF]

Les Miles would be a Dooleyesque disaster for this program. He was Butch before there ever was a Butch.

The other two would be great, but Stoops is a pipe dream at best and Mullen might not be in play, either.

i understand your reaoning on Miles, but I think he saw the error of his ways after getting canned. miles would loosen up and let someone have the offense next go around. Butch hasn't surrendered that yet to his detriment, and may not for a while.

I'm not a Butch hater, but he will have to relent the O to a coordinator full on in order to progress further as a Power 5 HC. He's not awful, just territorial.

 

[JMSqb11]

He competed with South Alabama, BYU and Kentucky by losing to them last year while going 6-7.

His SEC West record is horrible, he hasn't been competing... he had one decent year, you remove that year he is basically last in the West.... actually over time Miss State has been probably the worst in the West since he has been there.

Is he a solid coach? Sure, solid coach. Is he better than Butch? I don't know if I am sold on that.

Just be sure to bring your checkbook because he is making $5m a year or close to it.... and he doesn't have to win.

Yet he has the second most SEC wins of all Sec West teams since 2010 behind only Bama.....

By your logic, Butch has competed with Vandy, South Carolina, and horrible Florida teams and lost. with 4 and 5 stars.....

Mullen is the second best coach in the SEC right now. Butch isn't even in the top 8.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Yet he has the second most SEC wins of all Sec West teams since 2010 behind only Bama.....

By your logic, Butch has competed with Vandy, South Carolina, and horrible Florida teams and lost. with 4 and 5 stars.....

Mullen is the second best coach in the SEC right now...

That is only because all the other teams have gotten rid of their coaches. What kind of BS stat is that. LOL
He is 30-35 in the SEC, and his SEC W record is something like 14-30. Since he has been at MSU, their average placing in the West is 4.4... may guess that is probably last in the SEC W.. but I haven't done the other teams. Does he beat up the East? Yeah... there is a few teams in the East that he is undefeated against.

With that said, I think they will be decent this year.

I'm confused as to why you would think he would want the UT job? He makes great money, and he really doesn't have to win... not really. I guess if you wanted to write a check for say $7-10m over 10 years he might listen.

 

[JMSqb11]

That is only because all the other teams have gotten rid of their coaches. What kind of BS stat is that. LOL
He is 30-35 in the SEC, and his SEC W record is something like 14-30. Since he has been at MSU, their average placing in the West is 4.4... may guess that is probably last in the SEC W.. but I haven't done the other teams.

Butch is 14-19 in the SEC since being hired. In the same time Mullen is 17-16. Butch hasn't won a game vs the West. He is 0-8. He is also 2-2 vs Vandy (fireable offense and something no coach at UT has ever done.) He's 3-10 vs our big 3 rivals. He has blown the division the last 2 years......

But please tell me how Mullen's performance at the crap hole of the SEC is worse than Butch at one of the flagship programs of the SEC.

You're on acid if you think Mullen, who is the second best coach in the SEC right now at Miss. State, is worse than Butch, who is likely the 9th or 10th best coach in the League right now.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Time to sober up.

My thoughts exactly. One can hope for a change without letting pure hate cloud their thoughts, lol.

 

[TN_Transplant]

You honestly think we are going to get that? When was the last time TN EVER hired a big name coach.......oh ya NEVER

Johnny Majors was hired the year after Winning the National Championship at Pitt AND having Tony Dorsett win the Heisman trophy.

When Johnny came marching home, he was the top name in College ball.

 

[FayetteVol1]

He competed with South Alabama, BYU and Kentucky by losing to them last year while going 6-7.

His SEC West record is horrible, he hasn't been competing... he had one decent year, you remove that year he is basically last in the West.... actually over time Miss State has been probably the worst in the West since he has been there.

Is he a solid coach? Sure, solid coach. Is he better than Butch? I don't know if I am sold on that.

Just be sure to bring your checkbook because he is making $5m a year or close to it.... and he doesn't have to win. Basically, you have to pay him $7m+ if not more... why would he leave Miss State anyway? They are happy giving him extensions for finishing 5th in the West.

Exactly....No pressure in Starkville and he's already probably at our ceiling moneywise. Most of the names people throw around are not even real possibilities.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Butch is 14-19 in the SEC since being hired. In the same time Mullen is 17-16. Butch hasn't won a game vs the West. He is 0-8. He is also 2-2 vs Vandy (fireable offense and something no coach at UT has ever done.) He's 3-10 vs our big 3 rivals. He has blown the division the last 2 years......

But please tell me how Mullen's performance at the crap hole of the SEC is worse than Butch at one of the flagship programs of the SEC.

You're on acid if you think Mullen, who is the second best coach in the SEC right now at Miss. State, is worse than Butch, who is likely the 9th or 10th best coach in the League right now.

I never said he was worse than Butch. I said he was a solid coach, I also think Butch has done a decent job. imo

Literally you football crazies think throwing money at everything is going to just make magic happen are a funny breed.

What you are talking about with Mullen is $80-100m man when he hasn't really shown anything to justify that kind of money. Good luck with all that. He makes great money and he really doesn't have to win at MSU.... he and he really hasn't. LOL

 

[LSU-SIU]

Exactly....No pressure in Starkville and he's already probably at our ceiling moneywise. Most of the names people throw around are not even real possibilities.

I don't think his contract is public, I think it has been disclosed he is making $4.5m as a base... so you are basically looking at $5m+ for this year and that probably goes up.

Why would he want to leave MSU? A few more dollars really doesn't help especially considering he would be expect to win somewhere else.

Unless you threw $8-10m a year at me, if I were him... I would just sit there and keep collecting.

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Itll be fulmer, at least in the interim..

 

[boxerpupsrcool]

Question

Would ya rather let butch jones continue on the rest of the season, or fire him hire fulmer as interim head coach and then look for a head coach for next year

 

[Volz4lif3]

Don't know if this has been thrown around.. Hire Cut Hire Tee have him as coach in waiting.. Tennessee will win again with this combo and keep Gillipsee as our RB coach/ offensive coordinator along with Tee..

 

[JMSqb11]

I never said he was worse than Butch. I said he was a solid coach, I also think Butch has done a decent job. imo

Literally you football crazies think throwing money at everything is going to just make magic happen are a funny breed.

What you are talking about with Mullen is $80-100m man when he hasn't really shown anything to justify that kind of money. Good luck with all that. He makes great money and he really doesn't have to win at MSU.... he and he really hasn't. LOL

At Mississippi State in the 22 years before Mullen arrived, that program was 117-147 (44%).

EDIT: In 8 years and 2 games, Mullen has a 60% win percentage and over half the number of wins the program had in the previous 22 years (3 Coaches) combined. At Mississippi State.

That is monumental considering the rise of the SEC West since 2009 with Saban's ascent, LSU/Auburn in the early part of this decade and Ole Miss' quick run under Freeze.

If you are looking at W/L alone, you prolly think Butch at Tennessee is a world beater. That isn't the case. Tennessee and Mississippi State aren't even close when it comes to caliber of the program. You're crazy if you think so.


Also, we have gone cheap for a long time. That is what Alabama did pre Saban. You have to spend money to make money. Saban has singlehandedly created tens of millions of dollars in profit for the academics. Saban is vastly underpaid when you look at his impact on academics' financial gains. Also, paying a big name now when the SEC East is down means our climb to national relevance will be easier.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

Been discussed a lot. Good coach,love the background in that he has worked under Snyder, Stoops, and now Dabo. Has seen the inner workings of 3 successful programs, won 2 NC's, and should well understand how to run a successful shop. Would be a solid hire.

Would be a big time hire IMO. It's also realistic.

 

[MadisonvilleVol]

At Mississippi State in the 22 years before Mullen arrived, that program was 117-147 (44%).

In 8 years and 2 games, Mullen has 103 wins and a 60% win percentage. He's on pace to wins in 9.5 seasons as much as that program did in 22 years..... That is monumental considering the rise of the SEC West since 2009 with Saban's ascent, LSU/Auburn in the early part of this decade and Ole Miss' quick run under Freeze.

If you are looking at W/L alone, you prolly think Butch at Tennessee is a world beater. That isn't the case. Tennessee and Mississippi State aren't even close when it comes to caliber of the program. You're crazy if you think so. .

103 wins?

2009 5-7 T4th West (3-5)
2010 9-4 5th West (4-4)
2011 7-6 5th West (2-6)
2012 8-5 4th West (4-4)
2013 7-6 T5th West (3-5)
2014 10-3 2nd West (6-2)
2015 9-4 5th West (4-4)
2016 6-7 T5th West (3-5)
2017 3-0

Totals: 64-42 (30-35 SEC record)

No thanks......

 

[JMSqb11]

Question

Would ya rather let butch jones continue on the rest of the season, or fire him hire fulmer as interim head coach and then look for a head coach for next year

I think that would be a disservice to Phil. If anything, Coach RG needs to be interim if a change is made.

 

[JMSqb11]

103 wins?

2009 5-7 T4th West (3-5)
2010 9-4 5th West (4-4)
2011 7-6 5th West (2-6)
2012 8-5 4th West (4-4)
2013 7-6 T5th West (3-5)
2014 10-3 2nd West (6-2)
2015 9-4 5th West (4-4)
2016 6-7 T5th West (3-5)
2017 3-0

Totals: 64-42 (30-35 SEC record)

No thanks......

My mistake. Fixed and thanks for the correction. Look at his SEC record since Butch took UT job. Butch is 14-19 at Tennessee while Mullen is 17-16 at Miss. State. That is the most telling stat of them all.

 

[MadisonvilleVol]

My mistake. Fixed and thanks for the correction. Look at his SEC record since Butch took UT job. Butch is 14-19 at Tennessee while Mullen is 17-16 at Miss. State. That is the most telling stat of them all.

I'm not defending Butch in the least. I just think Mullen is mediocre at best. 39 of his 64 total wins have come against: Jackson St x 2., MTSU x 2, Memphis x 2, Alcorn St. x 2, Houston, UAB x 3, La Tech x 3, UT Martin x 2, Wake Forest, Uk x 5, Vandy x 2, Troy x 3, South Alabama x 2, Bowling Green, Rice, Southern Miss x 2, Northwestern State, UMass, Samford, Miami Ohio, and Charleston Southern.

Mullen is a safe hire. I'd bet he would win 8-9 games a year. But is he going to take us to the next level? Nothing in his history suggests he will.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Well, if things were so easy... you have the other coaches buyout as well, and on top of that assistants... and that is before you even talk a contract. Get your checkbook ready.... $100-150m for the top guys AT LEAST.

I'm sympathetic that y'all had to settle for orgeron. That doesn't mean we can't come up with whatever it takes to hire one of the 5 or 6 top candidates whose names are being mentioned.

 

[JMSqb11]

I'm not defending Butch in the least. I just think Mullen is mediocre at best. 39 of his 64 total wins have come against: Jackson St x 2., MTSU x 2, Memphis x 2, Alcorn St. x 2, Houston, UAB x 3, La Tech x 3, UT Martin x 2, Wake Forest, Uk x 5, Vandy x 2, Troy x 3, South Alabama x 2, Bowling Green, Rice, Southern Miss x 2, Northwestern State, UMass, Samford, Miami Ohio, and Charleston Southern.

Mullen is a safe hire. I'd bet he would win 8-9 games a year. But is he going to take us to the next level? Nothing in his history suggests he will.

Mullen doesn't schedule games.... He's literally won at a craphole with zero recruiting prowess and the schedule that is given to him... You're literally the definition of clinically insane if you think he wouldn't win here in a piss poor division.