Other head coach options (merged)

#801
#801
IluvdoubleD's said:
There would be no drop off in recruiting if you did it fast. We are talking about full grown man ball here. The kind of hire that would put you over the top.
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I don't think we can afford to wait too long with him. Especially if Bill Snyder retires after this year.
 
#802
#802
Chief Vol 13 said:
I don't think we can afford to wait too long with him. Especially if Bill Snyder retires after this year.
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You would have to do it right. No messing around. This would be a huge win for Currie if he could pull it off. You would have to be quiet... absolutely silent, you would have to be ninja fast, and you would have to come with a vault of gold and an army of lawyers. This is big name gro n man ish we are talking about. You will either get it right or it will fail.
 
#803
#803
IluvdoubleD's said:
You would have to do it right. No messing around. This would be a huge win for Currie if he could pull it off. You would have to be quiet... absolutely silent, you would have to be ninja fast, and you would have to come with a vault of gold and an army of lawyers. This is big name gro n man ish we are talking about. You will either get it right or it will fail.
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I just would not handle a Scott Satterfield type of hire. I think a realistic option would be Venables.
 
#804
#804
Well, you are not going to make a lateral move in this case. If you are not going for the homerun you don't move at all and build up your war chest. There is no reason to swap out Jones for another Jones that may flop on you harder. Jones can hold down the fort well until that guy comes along. The only guy on the market that fits the bill is Venables.
 
#805
#805
VFL-82-JP said:
I'm gonna support Jones as long as he's our coach. Just like I'll support Dormady even after a bad game, and Jumper in spite of imperfections and Larry Scott in spite of some flawed play calling, etc. etc.. They are all Vols, so I got their backs.

Won't stop me from talking about who might make good head coaches for the program, though. :good!:
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This all day
 
#806
#806
I haven't read all 52 pages of this thread so dont know if this Has already been suggested, but I like Justin Fuentes for this job. Has coached in the state before so familiar w recruiting here, and first year at Va Tech had great season despite losing to us early on. Is 3-0 this year.
 
#807
#807
VFL-82-JP said:
Think there are more or less three tiers of "pay for excellence" here:

1. Pay Big for the Big Name, a coach who has won at least 1 and preferably multiple national titles or super bowls (Saban, Meyer, Gruden, C.Kelly, etc). (price tag $6M-$10M)

2. Pay for a proven to somewhat-proven head coach of a second tier Power 5 program (Mullen, Fuentes) or a proven OC/DC of a top-tier Power 5 program (Venables fits here). (price tag $4M-$6M)

3. Pay for someone who is unproven at the Power 5 level, like an up-and-coming Group of 5 or FCS coach, or a hot-shot OC/DC from the Group of 5 ranks. (price tag $3M-$4M).

From what everyone's been saying over the past year+, it sounds like at least a sizeable group of us are in Category 1. I'd guess most of the rest are in 2. Don't think there are many in 3.

So, you'd probably have a portion of VolNation reject Venables simply because he's not tier 1. Before even discussing his individual merits.

Probably the #1 argument against Venables would be that he's only proven as a Coordinator. Some make the leap to HMFIC well, others not at all well. And how well they did as an OC/DC doesn't seem to have a lot of bearing on their ability to handle the next level...which is a WHOLE new job.

Me personally, I think I'd rather see a guy who has already proven he can handle head coaching in a big program.
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I don't remember Chip Kelly winning a natty or Super Bowl. Only one PAC title.
 
#812
#812
I think all we are doing in this thread is wishful thinking. The wheels will have to fall off before Butch is fired. Maybe this fantasy is making us feel better after a terrible loss. If we don't improve in a hurry, that's a possibility too. We can very easily lose to any team left on our schedule (maybe not UMass.) so tighten your seatbelts.
 
#813
#813
VFL-82-JP said:
Think there are more or less three tiers of "pay for excellence" here:

1. Pay Big for the Big Name, a coach who has won at least 1 and preferably multiple national titles or super bowls (Saban, Meyer, Gruden, C.Kelly, etc). (price tag $6M-$10M)

2. Pay for a proven to somewhat-proven head coach of a second tier Power 5 program (Mullen, Fuentes) or a proven OC/DC of a top-tier Power 5 program (Venables fits here). (price tag $4M-$6M)

3. Pay for someone who is unproven at the Power 5 level, like an up-and-coming Group of 5 or FCS coach, or a hot-shot OC/DC from the Group of 5 ranks. (price tag $3M-$4M).

From what everyone's been saying over the past year+, it sounds like at least a sizeable group of us are in Category 1. I'd guess most of the rest are in 2. Don't think there are many in 3.

So, you'd probably have a portion of VolNation reject Venables simply because he's not tier 1. Before even discussing his individual merits.

Probably the #1 argument against Venables would be that he's only proven as a Coordinator. Some make the leap to HMFIC well, others not at all well. And how well they did as an OC/DC doesn't seem to have a lot of bearing on their ability to handle the next level...which is a WHOLE new job.

Me personally, I think I'd rather see a guy who has already proven he can handle head coaching in a big program.
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IMHO option # 1 is really the only thing that will get this program to where the fanbase wants it in winning championships. It needs to be an immediate Year 1, 2 impact.
 
#814
#814
I have read all the suggestions for coaches but the only way out of this trap is Peyton Manning.

He might just do it for the love of the Vols!!
 
#815
#815
Bluetic said:
NCAA troubles...sorry I should have been more specific.
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What NCAA troubles? There wasn't a Bowl ban. There weren't wins taken off the table. Chip Kelly got a punishment and it's over. Plus is freaking easier to recruit here than Oregon. There is nothing that says he would be a liability here with NCAA for an issue that has been decided and served. He can't get in trouble for a past issue.
 
#817
#817
I just dont understand everyone wanting Peyton to coach. He is the best QB ever in my opinion but he has never been a coach . Lets hire a coach .
 
#818
#818
Dan Mullen, Les Miles, Bobby Petrine, Chip Kelly, John Gruden we have several options of good proven coaches out of a job. I wish for once Tennessee would strike while they can. Instead of riding Butch out till seasons end then hire a stupid search firm while all these good coaches get nabbed up.
 
#819
#819
JMSqb11 said:
What NCAA troubles? There wasn't a Bowl ban. There weren't wins taken off the table. Chip Kelly got a punishment and it's over. Plus is freaking easier to recruit here than Oregon. There is nothing that says he would be a liability here with NCAA for an issue that has been decided and served. He can't get in trouble for a past issue.
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I don't see us hiring someone with integrity issues. Not after Donnie Tyndall and Bruce Pearl in bball. Fwiw, Oregon was placed on probation for 3 years and had 3 scholarships taken away. Kelly was given an 18 month show cause penalty. It is not believable that he didn't know Willie Lyles was funneling players to Oregon.
 
#820
#820
Personally, I don't want the University looking for another coach because they are not prepared to shell out the money it will take to get a Saban type coach. They will aim for a noname and spend his first year trying to convince the fans that a great run at Soddy-Daisy High School was ample experience That being the situation that we will inevitably be in if we choose to bid Butch farewell. If that is the case, I would rather tough it out with painfully stubborn Butch Jones. We will just have to hope that all of the coaches are insulted by mediocrity and are therefore, inspired to do something about it!
 
#822
#822
esarmstrong said:
There's a big difference between recruiting to Starkville MS and Knoxville TN. His recruiting would be just fine if he got here.
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Starkville is an armpit and they have little to no football history.

He would recruit well here and be in the easier of the 2 divisons.
 
#824
#824
BeecherVol said:
Starkville is an armpit and they have little to no football history.

He would recruit well here and be in the easier of the 2 divisons.
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^^^^This^^^. Can you imagine what he could do with UT's resources? He has to want out of Starkville too. Who would want to live there of their own free will?
 
#825
#825
We also don't need a coach with lots and lots of NCAA baggage!! If we can't get a top tier NCAA-clean coach, I say keep Butch and carry on!
 
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