OT Penalty discussion (merged)

#101
#101
I think that they should have called the penalty, marked off the 15 yards, and given us one untimed down from wherever that was. That way, you prevent players from saving the game by committing a personal foul.

Also, I think in cases of a tie b/t receiver and defender, then the ball should be called incomplete, replay the down.
 
#102
#102
Sent my own email (plagiarizing freely from all y'all):

To: NCAA Rules Committee

From: A concerned football fan

Re: Tennessee @ Kentucky game, Nov 24th, 2007

I am concerned about the non-penalty on a brutal personal foul facemask that occurred during OT. The rule as explained by the referee was that any flag on a change of possession would be disregarded. Not only did the illegal act stop a probable game-ending score, but could have caused a career-ending injury to the Tennessee player. A foul of this nature must not go unpunished.

An applicable precedent would be the 1954 Cotton Bowl illegal tackle off the bench, after which the official awarded the touchdown.

Adding insult to injury, an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty was enforced against Tennessee in the next OT period, for a ball tossed back onto the field out of frustration – an act which posed no danger to anyone.

This makes no sense at all. Would Tennessee have been allowed to use illegal blocks, etc, on the return? No! A penalty on the return team would have negated any score. What if Kentucky had cleared the bench to stop the touchdown?. Still no penalty? As applied, the rule rewards dirty and dangerous play. I am surprised that the rule committee was so shortsighted as not to see the danger that this rule poses for players. This rule needs to be looked at and changed post-haste, in order to protect student-athletes.
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#103
#103
cotton said:
They did as far as enforcing the penalty, but I absolutely cannot believe that flag was thrown on Foster for tossing the ball after being tackeld. He didn't throw it at somebody or taunt the opponent, he simply slung it back into the field of play out of frustration.

There is no way an official can justify flagging that with the SEC championship in the balance, and I'd say the same thing if it were Tebow or DJ Hall.
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That is the dumbest thing I've heard in quite some time. Right, let's quit enforcing the rules because "a team's future hangs in the balance." That's crap. Foster made a dumb move, he deserves a penalty. End of story. How about getting onto Foster for being stupid and HIM jeopardizing our future.

I would have to lump you in with the people that feel sorry for Coker. It's high time that players have to own responsibility for their own actions.
 
#104
#104
WHAT SHOULD THE RULE BE FOR THE BERRY PENALTY?

I think a flagrant, game-altering play should be penalized by a TOUCHDOWN and an EJECTION.

If a player off the bench comes onto the field to stop a play, the play should be a TOUCHDOWN PERIOD, and that player should be ejected and have to sit the next game too.

What if a band member had made a tackle on 'the play?'
What if a m*********** from UK rips our stud down from behind by his facemask on a game-winning TD?
 
#105
#105
AS FOR THE FOSTER PENALTY ...

UK obviously doesn't have a 1st and 10 from the 40 play in their overtime defense package...

MUAHAHAHAHAHA
 
#106
#106
GoVols817 said:
It would have been a TD.

Had that happened, the final score would have been:

UT 44 UK 38

This was a travesty if there ever was one. Anytime there is a penalty, unless it's declined by the team it would benefit, SOMETHING should be assessed.
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A 2-point conversion (or blocked PAT kick) returned by the defense is only worth 2 points.

A caller on a local radio show pointed out that there is a rule related to players coming off of the bench to make a tackle. By rule, the team with the ball can be awarded a TD (or 2 points in this case) for the infraction. Therefore, if a player had come off the bench in this situation and made the tackle, Tennessee would have been awarded 2 points, there would be no penalty to carry over to the next overtime, and UT would have won 40-38.
 
#107
#107
jwells said:
I think that they should have called the penalty, marked off the 15 yards, and given us one untimed down from wherever that was. That way, you prevent players from saving the game by committing a personal foul.
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Agreed, the Vols should have been given 15 yards from the spot of the foul and 1 offensive play.... especially since a game (or overtime period in this case) can't end on a penalty. Because it was a 2-point conversion, the 1 play would only be worth 2 points (no PAT kick allowed in 3rd overtime).
 
#109
#109
allvol said:
Agreed, the Vols should have been given 15 yards from the spot of the foul and 1 offensive play.... especially since a game (or overtime period in this case) can't end on a penalty. Because it was a 2-point conversion, the 1 play would only be worth 2 points (no PAT kick allowed in 3rd overtime).
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I hadn't thought of that, but that is a perfect solution for dissuading a defensive penalty like the facemask on Eric Berry.
 
#110
#110
And while we're changing the OT rules . . . To add an element of special teams to the mix, I think every OT possession should start with the offense punting from the 50 yard line. Wherever the return man ends up being tackled is where the offensive possession would start in the other direction.
 
#111
#111
GAVol said:
And while we're changing the OT rules . . . To add an element of special teams to the mix, I think every OT possession should start with the offense punting from the 50 yard line. Wherever the return man ends up being tackled is where the offensive possession would start in the other direction.
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I think if the rule was like that you would have some really long games.
 
#112
#112
allvol said:
A 2-point conversion (or blocked PAT kick) returned by the defense is only worth 2 points.

A caller on a local radio show pointed out that there is a rule related to players coming off of the bench to make a tackle. By rule, the team with the ball can be awarded a TD (or 2 points in this case) for the infraction. Therefore, if a player had come off the bench in this situation and made the tackle, Tennessee would have been awarded 2 points, there would be no penalty to carry over to the next overtime, and UT would have won 40-38.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it was a blocked FG attempt which would make a return a TD.
 
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