OT: Are Phil and Peyton indelibly linked?

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You've got to say the parallels between Peyton and Phil's legacies are uncanny. Are they linked indelibly?

Both have won the Big One, and yet, they seem destined to be remembered more for their losses than their wins. Of course, Peyton still has time to make a stronger claim to where he deserves to be.

If Ainge doesn't throw that interception in 2007..... If Garcon catches that third down pass.... If Vinatieri misses that kick (for NE).... Those are the margins between legendary and just great, and it seems so damn thin, it's fascinating.

However, I hate to say this - I didn't see the Colts scoring to tie the game. I didn't envision Peyton throwing that bad a pass, but I just had a sinking feeling in my heart they weren't going to get it done.
 
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utgibbs said:
I didn't envision Peyton throwing that bad a pass.
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It hit him in the hands. Get off Peyton he is a legend here, he does have a ring, and he will get more. Most of the players say he is the best they have played with.
 
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Yeah Wayne had a couple of stone hands play in that game. Not all on Peyton's throw.
 
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VolinFL2 said:
Yeah Wayne had a couple of stone hands play in that game. Not all on Peyton's throw.
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Freeney's ankle, Garcon's drop of a probable TD pass spelled defeat. Wayne did drop the TD pass at the end, but it was over by then. My question is why not throw the slant to Wayne on third down---the slant is the toughest pass to defend and much less likely to be picked. In the end, the Saints just seemed to want it more.
 
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Peyton may be the greatest quarterback to ever play the game. Sunday, New Orleans had the best team on the field. Colts, were outplayed in every phase of the game.
 
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I agree completely that Peyton will go down as a legend.

Has anyone ever noticed, though, how tough most sportscasters on him any time he messes up?
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
It hit him in the hands. Get off Peyton he is a legend here, he does have a ring, and he will get more. Most of the players say he is the best they have played with.
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Yeah, it hit the defender in the hands. Look i like Peyton Manning, but the 70 year old blind guy in the upper deck saw that was a bad pass.

I still think he'll win another ring or two though before its all said and done.
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
It hit him in the hands. Get off Peyton he is a legend here, he does have a ring, and he will get more. Most of the players say he is the best they have played with.
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I'm not on Peyton.

On the lips and pens of every sports writer and talking head following the SB was Peyton's "legacy." We still talk about Phil's legacy here.

The real crux of the thread lies along that margin of "just" being Hall-of-Fame, and being legendary. They are two TN greats who seem to be remembered more for their losses than their wins. I find the enigma fascinating. There seems to be passionate people vehement that neither are truly legends....
 
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utgibbs said:
The real crux of the thread lies along that margin of "just" being Hall-of-Fame, and being legendary. They are two TN greats who seem to be remembered more for their losses than their wins. I find the enigma fascinating. There seems to be passionate people vehement that neither are truly legends....
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Neither one of them is going to get the credit they deserve until they have both been retired for 20 years, memories created by the media have faded, and people open up the record book. Then they will see all the numbers and say "Holy crap! I had no idea he was THAT good!"

Right now, the image of both men is formed by the media. And all they want to talk about are three losses to Florida from 13-15 years ago and now, a pick six for Manning in the Super Bowl. Nevermind that Kurt Warner threw one in last year's Super Bowl, and all anyone wants to do is lobby for him to make the Hall of Fame, with about half of Peyton Manning's achievements. (I do think Kurt should make it, but the treatment of the two men is ridiculous.)
 
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pshhh, peyton. he has one superbowl while terry bradshaw is sitting at a table with 4 like a true champion. kiss the rings
 
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When Manning has every passing record in football it will be hard to argue (pending Favre retiring sometime soon). Losing the Superbowl re-opened the argument on best ever. The Colts won more games than any team this decade and I think more than any team in any decade including the great 49er teams. I see no parallel with CPF unless Manning has two losing seasons in a four year span, resorts to the G-gun and is replaced by Matt Lienhart at QB.
 
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OrangeWilly said:
You can add hank basket not fielding an onside kick as a very big reason they lost as well.
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One play in many. You have to credit the Saints; once they had momentum, they never gave it up. I think Garcon dropping that perfectly thrown ball on 3rd down (would have been a first down by eight yards) might have switched the game. The Colts never had any real momentum after that. And if the Colts make it 13 or 17 zip at that point, it might have been different.

The Saints were on fire though. The "bend don't break" philosophy on defense works on the assumption a team can't consistently execute 10 - 14 play scoring drives. But the Saints did from the 2nd quarter onwards. They never gave back the momentum, and the Colts never took it away.
 
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utgibbs said:
You've got to say the parallels between Peyton and Phil's legacies are uncanny. Are they linked indelibly?

Both have won the Big One, and yet, they seem destined to be remembered more for their losses than their wins. Of course, Peyton still has time to make a stronger claim to where he deserves to be.

If Ainge doesn't throw that interception in 2007..... If Garcon catches that third down pass.... If Vinatieri misses that kick (for NE).... Those are the margins between legendary and just great, and it seems so damn thin, it's fascinating.

However, I hate to say this - I didn't see the Colts scoring to tie the game. I didn't envision Peyton throwing that bad a pass, but I just had a sinking feeling in my heart they weren't going to get it done.
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What everyone fails to mention is that when Brady and the Pats are mentioned no one mentions that there coach was caught cheating and i wonder how much that had to do with them beating the colts and my beloved Steelers in several playoff games and how many championships they, and other AFC, teams might ave had instaed of the Patriots. Just makes me sick!!
 
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MUR73 said:
What everyone fails to mention is that when Brady and the Pats are mentioned no one mentions that there coach was caught cheating and i wonder how much that had to do with them beating the colts and my beloved Steelers in several playoff games and how many championships they, and other AFC, teams might ave had instaed of the Patriots. Just makes me sick!!
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Agreed 100%.
 
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Peyton is a legend despite his nay sayers. He had a hell of a game in the SB. One bad pass but it's bound to happen from time to time when you carry a team on your shoulders like he did last season. As a matter of fact it's a miracle they made it to the SB! I believe if the Colt's D would have done anything in the secondary after the 1st quarter that Peyton would have not been in a situation to have to force passes into tight coverage.

He is a legend. He is in the top 5 of the greatest QB's of all time. There will always be arguments about who is number 1. No doubt in my mind that he is #1. But, being a Vol fan naturally I would say that.
 
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toxicdonut said:
pshhh, peyton. he has one superbowl while terry bradshaw is sitting at a table with 4 like a true champion. kiss the rings
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LOL Bradshaw...talk about being at the right place at the right time.

Hey at least Manning made it back to the Super Bowl. Fulmer never got back to the BCS Championship.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
LOL Bradshaw...talk about being at the right place at the right time.

Hey at least Manning made it back to the Super Bowl. Fulmer never got back to the BCS Championship.
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I think the SECCG is a better measure in this regard. Think Auburn 2005.

Without a doubt, it was probably Peyton's most deserved MVP. The Colts lived and died by everything he did this year, and the SB was proof. When Peyton was on the sidelines for an hour, the game completely changed hands.
 
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The number one thing that led to the Colts losing was that John Chavis called the defensive schemes. Changed from a press coverage to an extremely soft 'D' in the second half letting Brees complete all the passes he wanted. Didn't you guys watch the game????
 
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