Opposing coach's view on Vols

[gnm53108]

1. Trying his best to turn around the program that was in total disarray + NCAA sanctions after Kiffin left.
2. Building one of the best offenses in the school history within 3 years.
3. Recruiting and coaching some of the most fun to watch players in the school history.
4. Running a clean program and leaving much better foundation for CBJ than he found when he arrived.

1. His best?

2. True.

3. Also true...wish some of em were defensive players.

4. He ran a pretty clean program but leaving a much better foundation is debatable.

 

[Boogie]

My vote is the Ole' ball coach

 

[TGVol]

1. His best?

2. True.

3. Also true...wish some of em were defensive players.

4. He ran a pretty clean program but leaving a much better foundation is debatable.

I think he certainly tried his best - did not work out but was not for lack of trying. Also, as much as I defend Dooley I agree with your comment regarding defensive players. I think CDD is an offensive guy and he just wanted to outsource the defense to someone else. That's not even that unusual - most head coaches have background/preferences (Saban defens, Spurrier offense, Belichick defense, etc). Unfortunately for Dooley and us his young DC who was doing a good job got spooked after that horrible loss to UK and took off - I think that was ultimately what brought Dooley down - even though I thought going with Sal was a reasonable thing to try at that point - given his extensive background in NFL and with Saban, as well as his age and presumed experience, who could have thought he would turn out to be so bad in DC role.

 

[KBVol]

1. Trying his best to turn around the program that was in total disarray + NCAA sanctions after Kiffin left.
2. Building one of the best offenses in the school history within 3 years.
3. Recruiting and coaching some of the most fun to watch players in the school history.
4. Running a clean program and leaving much better foundation for CBJ than he found when he arrived.

1. There were no NCAA sanctions to speak of.... there were self-imposed "slap on the wrist" sanctions that didn't remotely cripple the program in any way, shape or form, that the NCAA ok'd. No scholarship reductions, no bowl bans (they knew that wouldn't be an issue while Dooley was the HC). The roster saw a lot of attrition but Dooley was also left with some very good Kiffin recruits, including Bray and Hunter. In fact, the best recruiting class of Dooley's tenure was the first one which was begun by Kiffin which Dooley did a nice job holding together at the 11th hour. Here's the summation of the Bleacher Report article discussing the findings of the NCAA.....

Tennessee Football Dodges Major NCAA Bullet by Placing Blame on Departed Kiffin | Bleacher Report

"By putting most all of the blame squarely on the coach and being able to document all of the ways that the coach was told repeatedly what he should and shouldn't be doing, Tennessee has totally avoided a charge of lack of institutional control and even failure to monitor.

It is clear from the NCAA's own findings that not only was Kiffin and his staff closely monitored but that the institution exercised the greatest degree of control over them that was feasibly possible under the circumstances.

As a result, Tennessee will face no serious sanctions from the NCAA on its football program. Kiffin, on the other hand, may very well be suspended from coaching at USC for a period of time for what he did while at UT.

The NCAA letter was remarkable for what it didn't say, and there were no major allegations that could produce any serious consequences for Vol football."


2. He built an offense that posted great numbers vs lesser OOC teams and the dregs of the SEC (minus the 2011 Kentucky game). That same offense was typically pedestrian vs the better teams, always faltering in the 2nd half of games. He also "masterminded" easily the worst defense in school history in 2012 ... either way, the sum of it was not one single win in 3 years vs a top 20 team and no "signature wins".

3. None of those players he coached and recruited, with the exception of CP, even crack the top 50 most fun players to watch IMO. Hunter would be the only other player that even qualifies .... he had 11 catches as a freshman, missed virtually all of his sophomore year and played to about half his potential his Jr year while protecting his NFL future. Who was the RB? DE? DT? LB? S? CB? that was "fun to watch"? I'm sure you'd say Bray... and if you do you've helped further my point....I never found it fun to watch him consistently fold in the second half of our most important games.

4. He did not, in any way, leave a good foundation for CBJ. Jones has had to start from scratch to rebuild every facet of the program.... from recruiting, image/brand, losing attitude/mentality, APR, relationships with fans, former players and highschool coaches. Oh yeah, not to mention the modern era record of 3 consecutive losing seasons.... some damn foundation.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I agree. It's not like we don't have plenty of young talent to replace the guys that have graduated and moved on with their careers. It's like everyone thinks we are going to start a couple of 140 lb high school kids at D tackle.

My only concern for the new guys will be their physical conditioning/strength compared to, say, seniors. I believe they'll be good enough to compete. If our receivers or RBs are half as good as we think, they'll only need to hold up for 3-4 seconds for a pass to be thrown, or open up a lane for Lane or Hurd briefly. It won't be as catastrophic as people think, just some growing pains more likely.

 

[oregonvol]

1. Trying his best to turn around the program that was in total disarray + NCAA sanctions after Kiffin left.
2. Building one of the best offenses in the school history within 3 years.
3. Recruiting and coaching some of the most fun to watch players in the school history.
4. Running a clean program and leaving much better foundation for CBJ than he found when he arrived.

1. I would hope anyone being paid millions would try their best. Too bad his "best" was still total failure and the program got worse every year he was here.

2. If he "built" the offense (and we're giving no credit to Chaney here), then I guess he also "built" the worst defense in school history. Also, I don't know if throwing it all around because you always have to play catch up or because you're in a shootout with the likes of Troy really makes it the "best". The best should be able to actually provide wins.

3. I guess I'm just one of those old crazy traditionalist fans who doesn't find it any fun to watch his team lose repeatedly.

4. Yeah, except for those players taking bribes, right? And how did that foundation work out? We had a team loaded with upperclassmen who couldn't win more than 4 games against FBS opponents last year.

 

[LA vol7]

It certainly is a correct assessment of Derek Dooley. He put on this act as being a southern gentleman, but actually he was more arrogant than Lane Kiffin. He is a spoiled brat, and there may be those who think this is harsh and disagree, but this is not my own opinion but I heard it straight from the horses mouth from people "in the building." Their direct quote was that "no one in the building liked Derek Dooley.

 

[TGVol]

1. There were no NCAA sanctions to speak of....

That would have been great - except it's not true.

Tennessee gets NCAA notice of violations; Lane Kiffin recruiting cited | AL.com

NCAA announces additional penalties from Lane Kiffin ‘era’ with Vols | CollegeFootballTalk

Also, remember that while you are being looked into by NCAA that in itself hurts recruiting. And there is no question they were looking at us closely. CBJ had nothing like that to deal with - which certainly helped him get that amazing class.

As far as fun players during Dooley, in addition to CP, Hunter, Bray, great O-line, you forgot D Rogers.
Perhaps this may help - I'm sure Jancek remembers D Rogers quite vividly:

 

[beasley11]

i say les miles. after the LSU 2010 game that we won?... lost?? there was no words spoken and dooley left the field right away.

 

[beasley11]

1. Trying his best to turn around the program that was in total disarray + NCAA sanctions after Kiffin left.
2. Building one of the best offenses in the school history within 3 years.
3. Recruiting and coaching some of the most fun to watch players in the school history.
4. Running a clean program and leaving much better foundation for CBJ than he found when he arrived.

ok i have to agree with you! CBJ is in a fantastic position compared to when DD took over. lets pray we can have a offence like we did in 2011 & 2012 + a half decent deffense.

 

[TGVol]

ok i have to agree with you! CBJ is in a fantastic position compared to when DD took over. lets pray we can have a offence like we did in 2011 & 2012 + a half decent deffense.

I'm very hopeful. It's hard not to be when you see all the studs CBJ recruited on both sides of the ball. To me the only question marks are our DC and OC (to lesser extent). Was not impressed with preparation and/or play calling last year. But still, they had a lot to do with recruiting this class so they deserve a shot to coach them.

 

[VFL1953]

Pompous Ass :lolabove:

Yup. This will be his name from now on whenever I refer to him. Which hopefully, won't be often.

 

[DC Vol]

I'm very hopeful. It's hard not to be when you see all the studs CBJ recruited on both sides of the ball. To me the only question marks are our DC and OC (to lesser extent). Was not impressed with preparation and/or play calling last year. But still, they had a lot to do with recruiting this class so they deserve a shot to coach them.

I kind of agree. Every time I want to jump on Jancek I remember:

* 2 converted Safeties at OLB. No Maggitt. No depth behind any position. This wore out AJ by the UGA game, IMO. He was on the field way too much.

* Randolph isn't a physical freak at FS and McNeil was bad at Safety. McNeil is a bit of a knock against Martinez, IMO. No real depth behind either as well.

* Lost both projected starting CBs (Jones and Williams) and had to start a True Freshman (Sutton) and fill in with walk-ons. That's not even a knock against depth. You're using brakes with no pads here.

* DL also saw losses of Couch and Saulsberry. Saulsberry had been projected as a starter and Couch was playing well before both were lost either before or during the Oregon game. DE saw some intermittent sparks and Vereen played a couple of good snaps.

So there really wasn't much in the cupboard for Jancek to work with. However, I have to think that if we had Wilcox still or a high-quality DC they'd have turned in better results... but IMO not by a large margin.

Our starting talent, top-to-bottom, in 2013 was trash and our depth was no-existent. Jancek deserves another year but we can't be at 400ypg+ again.

 

[TGVol]

3. I guess I'm just one of those old crazy traditionalist fans who doesn't find it any fun to watch his team lose repeatedly.

I'm also old crazy traditionalist and I hate losing. But things need to be put into perspective while rebuilding is going on. Things don't happen overnight. The fact is that the offense was improving every year Dooley was here and ended up being one of the best in school history during his 3rd year. Almost good enough to even offset the historically bad defense. However, even the defense was improving until Dooley's last year (until Wilcox left) - that was the real problem. If Wilcox stayed we would have likely gone 8-3 or even 9-2 (given our offense) and both of us old crazy traditionalists would have been much happier.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I'm also old crazy traditionalist and I hate losing. But things need to be put into perspective while rebuilding is going on. Things don't happen overnight. The fact is that the offense was improving every year Dooley was here and ended up being one of the best in school history during his 3rd year. Almost good enough to even offset the historically bad defense. However, even the defense was improving until Dooley's last year (until Wilcox left) - that was the real problem. If Wilcox stayed we would have likely gone 8-3 or even 9-2 (given our offense) and both of us old crazy traditionalists would have been much happier.

Falling this far will only make things that much sweeter once we're winning again, and I don't think we'll have to wait too much longer.

 

[Moustache]

The 2010 LSU-Tenn game where Dooley didn't shake Miles' hand makes me think it could be Miles. But, as an LSU fan, Miles' speech is much more confusing/non-sensical.

I'll go with Spurrier. He's always been open (calling Dooley a pompous ass) and is usually honest/spot-on with his analysis.

Plus, I eliminated the following:

Pinkel- I'm not sure he would really have much of an opinion on Dooley.
Muschamp- nope. He and dooley were buds.
Mason- Nope. no history
Richt- Nah. Probably not. He's too "Holier-than-thou" and not really candid.
Stoops- not here long enough to say that.

Miles- Not Miles-esque enough.
Saban- NOpe. Dooley is his bud
Malzahn- Maybe.
Freeze- Nope. not here long enough.
Mullen- Maybe
Sumlin- doubtful. Never had to play them.
Bielema- Maybe. He's pretty blunt, but doesn't have a history with dooley or Tenn.

So, by elimination it's either Mullen, Malzahn, or Spurrier and out of those 3, I'm betting on Spurrier.

 

[gnm53108]

The 2010 LSU-Tenn game where Dooley didn't shake Miles' hand makes me think it could be Miles. But, as an LSU fan, Miles' speech is much more confusing/non-sensical.

I'll go with Spurrier. He's always been open (calling Dooley a pompous ass) and is usually honest/spot-on with his analysis.

Plus, I eliminated the following:

Pinkel- I'm not sure he would really have much of an opinion on Dooley.
Muschamp- nope. He and dooley were buds.
Mason- Nope. no history
Richt- Nah. Probably not. He's too "Holier-than-thou" and not really candid.
Stoops- not here long enough to say that.

Miles- Not Miles-esque enough.
Saban- NOpe. Dooley is his bud
Malzahn- Maybe.
Freeze- Nope. not here long enough.
Mullen- Maybe
Sumlin- doubtful. Never had to play them.
Bielema- Maybe. He's pretty blunt, but doesn't have a history with dooley or Tenn.

So, by elimination it's either Mullen, Malzahn, or Spurrier and out of those 3, I'm betting on Spurrier.

What if it was an assistant coach?

 

[thebjd]

That's what you get for being a Dooley hating joker. :bash:

I don't hate Dooley. He was just terrible as a head coach at Tennessee. It is not just me as a fan speaking. It is former players, player's parents, Tennessee high school coaches, it is the 2012 Florida game, the 2012 MSU game, all Alabama games, the 2012 Missouri game, the 2011 Kentucky game, the 2012 Vandy game and now we have opposing coaches chiming in what we already knew.

 

[VolAllen]

I don't hate Dooley. He was just terrible as a head coach at Tennessee. It is not just me as a fan speaking. It is former players, player's parents, Tennessee high school coaches, it is the 2012 Florida game, the 2012 MSU game, all Alabama games, the 2012 Missouri game, the 2011 Kentucky game, the 2012 Vandy game and now we have opposing coaches chiming in what we already knew.

And we can't forget the 2010 LSU game...

 

[1974Vol]

Growing up in the 80s and 90s, never thought there would come a day when we would hope for 6-6 and a bowl game, and consider that season a success....it is what it is right now I guess.

This is like the late 70's post Battle all over again. Took Johnny Majors 8 years to get them all the way back with the 1985 SEC title and Sugar Bowl win over Miami. 1977, 78, 79, 80, and 81 were really tough years to be a Vol. The 82 team wasn't great but they at least ended the Bama domination. 1983 was the year that almost was until they blew a 4th quarter lead to 'Ol Miss. 1984 was okay and got us a 3rd straight win over Bama. But that 85 team was the first really special one for more than a decade. Hope this turn around doesn't take that long.

 

[UTVOLFAN]

Spot on.

 

[thebjd]

And we can't forget the 2010 LSU game...

That was the pinnacle of his coaching career at Tennessee.

 

[governmentmule]

bad athletic director....

that part seems to have been over looked

 

[1974Vol]

Have no idea what coach made the remarks but it very likely was an assistant rather than a head coach and may have been someone on the Dools staff currently at another institute of higher learning.

 

[MrBiggles]

What about one of the many high school coaches that would have met both coaches?