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spudvol said:
In 2007 fans were pissed that we lost UF and Bama by a combined score of 100-37. Set the tone for Fulmer's ouster in 2008. It wasn't all sunshine and roses.
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Exactly. Winning the SEC E doesn't mean you have that good of a team. UF was so impressed with McElwain's 2 SEC E title they canned him midway through his 3rd season.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Exactly. Winning the SEC E doesn't mean you have that good of a team. UF was so impressed with McElwain's 2 SEC E title they canned him midway through his 3rd season.
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True, but-being last, or next to last in the SEC-E, does mean you have a BAD team!:hi:
 
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spudvol said:
In 2007 fans were pissed that we lost UF and Bama by a combined score of 100-37. Set the tone for Fulmer's ouster in 2008. It wasn't all sunshine and roses.
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Beat me to it. Those losses really tarnished that season for me. 59-20 and 41-17... good teams just don’t lose like that. Beating Georgia and Arkansas and almost beating LSU, eventual national champion, was good though.
 
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igotworms said:
According to OP "he" didnt do anything
"We" dun run him off
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Not saying that at all little fella. I was saying, he was our guy (i.e. izzo at michigan state). We should have rolled over it with him and taken the punishment as an institution. If you came to a company depleted and rebuilt it, then the first time your in trouble for a non felony offense your fired, would that be fair to you? or would expect to have a little loyalty? we made the wrong call any way you put it.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
For those of you that have short memories,

Not too long ago (2007), we had Phil Fulmer coming off an an SEC east title, Bruce Pearl had the #1 Team in the nation, and Pat Summit had the indestructible lady vols in the middle of winning back to back titles....

We ran two of them out of town and the other has some how whittled down alot of what Pat Summit had built in just a few short years.

Sometimes folks, the grass isnt greener on the other side. We may never see a string of success like we had that year, again. I think during times like these we need to salute our previous eras and pray we get back to that one day.


we need to exercise the demons.

(only the long termers will get that last part) :hi:
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Great post. In addition,
we ran of Delmonico who was the 4th winningest coach in SEC history. The AD's job is mostly to keep coaches out of trouble (see Dickey). They had the chance to help Bruce and failed. And on a very innocent thing that Bruce was unaware of at the time it happened. Pat had health issues so that is not on UT. Phil is the most successful football coach in school history. And Bill Webb, the most successful track coach in school history, resigned as he saw what was becoming of the program.
 
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VolFan..But said:
we ran of Delmonico who was the 4th winningest coach in SEC history.
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again, self inflicted

VolFan..But said:
They had the chance to help Bruce and failed. And on a very innocent thing that Bruce was unaware of at the time it happened.
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That's bull. He knew what he was doing since he had been slapped by the NCAA before for the same infraction. He then asked others to lie for him
 
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In the 2000's

Phil Fulmer - the most successful football coach in Tennessee history. College football hall of fame. Won the school's only legit National Title. Has more going into the NFL Hall of Fame then the school had in it's history. Very well respected and that is why no name coach will come here. Hamilton started tearing down the program in 2004 to fire him. That fact was confirmed on the radio by Ainge who they tried to recruit to be part of it.
Down goes UT football.

Bruce Pearl - the most successful basketball coach in school history. Was on his way to even more unprecedented success with the program. A kid shows up at his house during a barbecue while on an un official visit with a current player bringing him. Bruce didn't even know until he got there. Hamilton did not help protect him during this minor infraction that was worthy of a small slap on the wrist. Down goes UT basketball.

Bill Webb - Track Hall of Famer and the most successful coach in school history. Decided enough already watching things around him and left. Down goes UT track.

Rod Delmonico - The most successful baseball coach in school history by a mile and the 4th winningest coach in SEC history. Fired. Down goes UT baseball.

Pat Summitt - Hamilton did not get her.

That is what Hamilton inherited. These folks where all on campus at the same time. Hamilton could not have done a better job of screwing this athletic department up if it was in fact his mandate to do so.

And that is now why this athletic program is in the horrific shape it is in now.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
For those of you that have short memories,

Not too long ago (2007), we had Phil Fulmer coming off an an SEC east title, Bruce Pearl had the #1 Team in the nation, and Pat Summit had the indestructible lady vols in the middle of winning back to back titles....

We ran two of them out of town and the other has some how whittled down alot of what Pat Summit had built in just a few short years.

Sometimes folks, the grass isnt greener on the other side. We may never see a string of success like we had that year, again. I think during times like these we need to salute our previous eras and pray we get back to that one day.


we need to exercise the demons.

(only the long termers will get that last part) :hi:
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The failure to find a coach since Fulmer was fired does not change the undeniable fact that he deserved to be fired. The decline of the program in every respect under Fulmer over his last 6-8 years is precisely how the program got to where it is.

"The good ol' days" weren't just right around the corner if Fulmer had been kept. His recruiting had fallen off badly and the game had passed him by... he was dominated by the "new guys" and style of play.

His time came and went. The failure to find the right guy, pay enough for him, or get rid of the wrong guy fast enough... doesn't change any of the facts surrounding Fulmer's departure. He needed to go.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
no but we coulda just taken the show cause 2 year ban. and we didnt go to the tournament anyway the next 2 years. So we couldve at least had a team primed and ready, he always recruited well.

We'd be up there with the blue bloods if we wouldve just stood by the guy.

hindsight is always 20 20 but when youve had one coach ever bring you to #1, you stand by him because we knew damn well we werent getting anyone else of his caliber anytime soon.
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And we might also be in the same debacle Auburn Basketball is in now with the Adidas scandal. Bruce Pearl has been surrounded by scandals virtually his entire coaching career. We were good to get away when we did. Thanks for the memories Bruce, but I'm glad he's gone.
 
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utvolpj said:
again, self inflicted



That's bull. He knew what he was doing since he had been slapped by the NCAA before for the same infraction. He then asked others to lie for him
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:eek:lol:Rod was self inflicted? LOL!! All that winning and all I guess.


As for Bruce, I was an insider. I know what happend as I just laid out. Every college football coach and basketball coach go outside the lines. EVERY ONE!!!! It is up to the AD to protect them as Dickey had done. Craft came with another player very innocently. He was already committed but was on an unofficial. That meant he could not do anything off campus with a coach or player. Pearl was blindsided as he did nothing wrong. Dickey would have fixed it and it would have been a footnote. And we would still be rolling with a couple of Final Fours by now. Yet the UT clown fans think that is not good enough. They whine about losing and whine about winning. Just like you. And no, you have no idea what your talking about.

Keep enjoying the mess that is over there now. :eek:lol:
 
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sjt18 said:
The failure to find a coach since Fulmer was fired does not change the undeniable fact that he deserved to be fired. The decline of the program in every respect under Fulmer over his last 6-8 years is precisely how the program got to where it is.

"The good ol' days" weren't just right around the corner if Fulmer had been kept. His recruiting had fallen off badly and the game had passed him by... he was dominated by the "new guys" and style of play.

His time came and went. The failure to find the right guy, pay enough for him, or get rid of the wrong guy fast enough... doesn't change any of the facts surrounding Fulmer's departure. He needed to go.
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The decline in the program he built? The decline from an era that was by far the most successful in school history and one of the most successful in college football history? Exactly. His decline era was better than the majority of UT history. And you don't treat a legend that way or you will get the likes of Kiffin, Dooley, Jones and whoever they bring in next. It will be decades before you see the success Phil had during his "down time". Tennessee will never see the success he had during that historic run.

Enjoy the garbage you see that is UT sports now!!!!!
 
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VolFan..But said:
:eek:lol:Rod was self inflicted? LOL!! All that winning and all I guess.
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yes, he was a jackass who called out his boss

VolFan..But said:
As for Bruce, I was an insider. I know what happend as I just laid out. Every college football coach and basketball coach go outside the lines. EVERY ONE!!!! It is up to the AD to protect them as Dickey had done. Craft came with another player very innocently. He was already committed but was on an unofficial. That meant he could not do anything off campus with a coach or player. Pearl was blindsided as he did nothing wrong. Dickey would have fixed it and it would have been a footnote. And we would still be rolling with a couple of Final Fours by now. Yet the UT clown fans think that is not good enough. They whine about losing and whine about winning. Just like you. And no, you have no idea what your talking about.

Keep enjoying the mess that is over there now. :eek:lol:
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You're simply making things up. Bruce knew it was a secondary violation (because he did it before) yet asked the Crafts to lie and didn't report the infraction to anyone. It was the cover up that got him. Well, it was that and the fact he couldn't ID his kitchen in a picture.
 
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Tennessee All Time:

830-375-53

2 National Titles
13 SEC Titles (some from Majors, Neyland and Dickey where actually ties but counted back then as Titles)

Fulmer and Neyland combined

325-83-12
2 National Titles
9 SEC Titles

Phil won 5 SEC East Titles. Based on the way they counted titles before him, 4 would have been SEC Titles. That in an era that was way harder for many reasons.

And he didn't play the garbage D1AA and lower type schools that Neyland loaded up on.

Tennessee is 13th overall in winning percentage but when you take out the two big hitters, it drops considerably. Without those two, this is actually a 60% winning program.

BTW, Majors had 3 SEC Titles. One in 1985 when Florida actually won it but got put on probation half way through the season. They beat Tenn that year. Then after the 0-6 start, Majors promoted Fulmer to OC and Recruiting Coordinator and they won one and shared one after that. Then they fired that miserable joke and his 65% winning and promoted the Hall of Famer. No, Majors is not in the Hall of Fame as a coach and never will. Not eligible. You have to win 75% of your games to even be eligible.
 
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VolFan..But said:
The decline in the program he built?
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Well, no, not really. Majors did most of the bleeding and turned over a healthy and talented program to Fulmer. Fulmer did maintain it and build from there until around 2000 when he both literally and figuratively got fat and lazy.

The decline from an era that was by far the most successful in school history and one of the most successful in college football history? Exactly. His decline era was better than the majority of UT history.
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And? It was still decline and still led to the point where he was fired and Kiffin took over roster that lacked talent, depth, discipline, and a winning edge.

And you don't treat a legend that way or you will get the likes of Kiffin, Dooley, Jones and whoever they bring in next.
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Only if you hire them. Fulmer was in decline. A coach who had less history and credits to his account would have been fired 3 years earlier.

The hires made after Fulmer do not in any way demonstrate that he was somehow treated unfairly. But even more it does not in ANY WAY demonstrate that he was EVER going to turn the program around. The recruiting class he handed off to Kiffin was going to be trash again. He could no longer recruit quality linemen. Academics, off field discipline, staff discipline, statistical performance, etc were ALL bad and in decline. They had been for at least 8 years when he was fired.

If you want to have some "fun"... go back and check scoring O during Fulmer's years with and without Cut.... that should also help you understand that Fulmer was not the solution.

It will be decades before you see the success Phil had during his "down time". Tennessee will never see the success he had during that historic run.
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If they hire the right coach... everything is in place to do just that. You won't see it by tolerating subpar coaches like Jones.

Enjoy the garbage you see that is UT sports now!!!!!
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:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

You say this sarcastically then complain when changes are made?

I hate where UT is right now... but in 2008 the performance on the field was as bad or worse plus there was an almost daily report of some player getting in trouble for drugs, crime, rape, academics, etc. That was actually worse and more embarrassing. Fulmer NEVER had a real answer for those problems and especially after the NCAA tightened up on a program's ability to cover stuff up.
 
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volmancagle17 said:
For those of you that have short memories,

Not too long ago (2007), we had Phil Fulmer coming off an an SEC east title, Bruce Pearl had the #1 Team in the nation, and Pat Summit had the indestructible lady vols in the middle of winning back to back titles....

We ran two of them out of town and the other has some how whittled down alot of what Pat Summit had built in just a few short years.

Sometimes folks, the grass isnt greener on the other side. We may never see a string of success like we had that year, again. I think during times like these we need to salute our previous eras and pray we get back to that one day.


we need to exercise the demons.

(only the long termers will get that last part) :hi:
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Was that the year we lost to Florida, Georgia, and Alabama and fluked our way into the SEC title game??? Trying to figure out if we're rememberig the same years...
 
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howie87 said:
Was that the year we lost to Florida, Georgia, and Alabama and fluked our way into the SEC title game??? Trying to figure out if we're rememberig the same years...
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Beat uga but lost to uf and bama by a combined 100-37
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
With this logic the N.C. team was just lucky and delayed cpf firing???
Thank you Kurt Stoner.


Do not confuse bad coaching with the craziness of college football.
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That NC kept Fulmer here past 2002. He wouldn't have survived the 2002 season if he hadn't won the natty in 1998
 
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