One thing Obvious about Dobbs

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I've heard all year long about how Dobbs didn't practice as well as the other QB's and that's why he is just now getting his chance. If I remember right, he had the best Spring Game of all QB's and even though he wasn't great last year, he was the best we had (in games) last year. I've never seen a win/loss "practice" record get you to a bowl game. One last thing, Dobbs style of play will not show up in practice with a red no contact jersey on, he is a gamer that makes things happen with his mobility. His style of play gives your team with a weak Oline the best chance to win. I LOVE what Butch is doing at Tennessee but he made a huge mistake by not recoginizing this. It probably cost us 2 wins. Not Butch bashing, just stating my opinion. Go Vols!!!!
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's easy to see now that Dobbs is the man.

But if he's not practicing well, why put him in unless necessary and burn the redshirt?

People on here don't see the day-in, day-out. Frankly I'm glad none of you will ever coach football.
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I completely understand Dobbs may not be a great practice player but he looked great in the O&W game and it has been obvious since last season he has tools to be a great QB. All I am saying is we probably beat GA and FL if he had been playing even as our backup QB. We wasted an entire quarter against GA with Peterman when Worley went down and lost by a FG . One can only wonder what could have happened against FL with Dobbs vs. Taking six sacks and kicking 3 measly field goals.
 
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I wish our fans wouldn't dump on one player to push or prop up another. Worley played great first 3 games until he was injured. He's a great VFL and I wish he could've remained healthy. Dobbs has now shown maybe why ferguson decided to leave.
 
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utfantilidie said:
He should have been the starter all along. You can't teach speed and willpower. Did anyone else notice whenever Worley was around Dobbs , Dobb's would not talk or make eye contact with him. Dobb's book smarts shifting to the playing field as well.:good!:
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Where did you come up with this crap. Worley was supported Dobbs 100% and had his arm around him after the game.
 
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I did notice the lack of communication between the two... completely different from the AL game. Worley knows he is done for the season and stood in the back and flirted with girls... he has mentally checked out on the team, at least he was last night. Was really sad to see him standing back there and not communicating with the team. At one point on camera, Dobbs came off from a scoring drive and Worley walked right past him and said nothing.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Some of you guys assume that Dobbs would have balled out in game 1, although most reports said he looked awful in fall camp. Ridiculous isnt a strong enough word.
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It wasn't most reports, it was ALL reports.

But it's best not to argue with all of the millionaire college coaches we have on this board.
 
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utfantilidie said:
He should have been the starter all along. You can't teach speed and willpower. Did anyone else notice whenever Worley was around Dobbs , Dobb's would not talk or make eye contact with him. Dobb's book smarts shifting to the playing field as well.:good!:
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Ridiculous, Worley has been a mentor to Dobbs ever since he got on campus! Dobbs parents are the reason Butch was trying to redshirt him for the 1001st f--king time! If your trying to Burn Worley at the stake your a complete unadulterated idiot, he is and always has been the consummate team player and leader!!!!! Good win despite a few fools that are only happy when miserable!

7-5 Chick Filet Bowl!!!!!
 
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KBVol said:
I'm a huge fan of Joshua and I'm very happy to see him having the success he's having in leading his team. But if you listen to everyone who would know, from Jones and Bajakian on down, he just didn't practice well enough to be given the opportunity. Jones, like any other coach, preaches that in order to play you have to prove on the practice field, and he evidently just wasn't. It's easy with hindsight, given how he's played the last 2 weeks, to now say he should've been the starter all along.

That being said, I'm sure as hell glad that he's the starter now and I can't wait to watch him close the season out and hopefully get us to a bowl.
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And to that I ask, does anyone believe he just turned it on out of the blue against Bama, one of the best defenses in the country? Then goes out and sets school records vs SC and has one of the greatest comebacks in school history? There is absoulutely no way he was practicing so horribly that he "earned" the 3rd string spot and then plays like this. We all know he was planning to RS, if you don't think he gives you a chance to win down the road then why would you maximze his time in the program? One more year on scholarship is one more year he eats up a scholarship when he could've been cycled through. I believe Butch saw at least flashes of this, and potentially more, all offseason and wanted to make sure he had those moments for 3 more yrs. He put the current team's season in jeopardy for the benefit of a future team which isn't fair to the guys in the locker room now.

If Butch doesn't believe in "gamers" and Dobbs was poor in practice all fall, then tell us Butch where did this come from?
 
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1985Vols said:
Why redshirt a guy that could have helped you win the SEC East?
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Because his parents requested it, damn!!!!!!! Course load and youth are the reason, wanting him to have a chance to adjust! How did you manage your Aerospace Engineering course load along with college playbook when you were overachieving in K-town?? Most class Butch has shown since arriving in Knoxville, he called Joshua's parents and asked if he could remove redshirt! GO VOLS!!!!
 
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Dobbs parents pushed for redshirt. With a fifth year of scholarship, Joshua Dobbs completes his Masters degree in Aerospace Engineering at atheltic department expense. It is why his parents were consulted and signed off on the burning of his redshirt. That probably ended his chance to complete his Masters while on scholarship.

Not an inconsequential donation from the Dobbs family to the team.
 
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Coaches are supposed to put their best players on the field--period. Jones didn't do that at QB. I didn't realize we had the luxury of throwing away another year for all the silly reasons identified as to why they didn't play Dobbs. It was a mistake--period
 
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ButchPlz said:
I think there are a few reasons.

1. Lots of young, new starters on the offensive side of the ball; Butch probably wanted some senior leadership on the field, and say what you want about Worley, he isn't a bad leader.

2. I am sure the coaches knew how bad the OL would be. Putting an inexperienced QB back there early on would have a good chance to get him hurt and/or so severely rattled that he's mentally shaken for a while.

3. We don't see practice, and it's very, very likely something was missing from Dobbs' game all year. Bama and last night could really have been the coming out party.
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Please. Was he missing his legs in August? He showed he was a pretty good runner last year--but I guess having a QB who can't run and isn't a great passer either was preferable! Let's not pretend Dobbs just became a good player in the last three weeks.
 
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elitedb said:
Dobbs parents pushed for redshirt. With a fifth year of scholarship, Joshua Dobbs completes his Masters degree in Aerospace Engineering at atheltic department expense. It is why his parents were consulted and signed off on the burning of his redshirt. That probably ended his chance to complete his Masters while on scholarship.

Not an inconsequential donation from the Dobbs family to the team.
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The whole family has class
 
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ButchPlz said:
It wasn't most reports, it was ALL reports.

But it's best not to argue with all of the millionaire college coaches we have on this board.
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to admit it: Jones screwed up. Did you not see what Dobbs brought to the offense last year? Did you not see him run effectively? Here's the bottom line: He's better than Worley, he's ALWAYS been better than Worley. I want to stop talking about it but it's hard with all the revisionist nonsense being spouted.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
DUMB ASS POSTS. Dobbs could not not start at the beginning of the year. He had no reason to start at the beginning of the year, and he needed that moment against bam a to come into his own. If you would have started him at the beginning of the year (You could NOT) it is likely he would be the one sitting on the side lines now. Volnation would have broke him down if nothing else. You have to let these kids develop into their potential, what you are seeing is a QB developing before your eyes. THIS IS HIS MOMENT. sit back and enjoy the show. Stop reaching. This instant gratification world has really affected some of you guys.
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Maybe, but the real talk is that Butch was trying to play Worley in his senior year and preserve Dobbs' redshirt, thereby giving him an extra year. With Worley injured and often ineffective with our oline, Butch had to play Dobbs.
 
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armchair said:
Coaches are supposed to put their best players on the field--period. Jones didn't do that at QB. I didn't realize we had the luxury of throwing away another year for all the silly reasons identified as to why they didn't play Dobbs. It was a mistake--period
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Dobbs didn't show much last year (2 TD's and 6 INT) didn't practice well but
some how the coaches should have started him anyway. Brilliant! If he had started from game 1 and struggled YOU would have been first to post why are we starting this kid when we have a senior QB on the sidelines and this young team needs that leadership. Just go find another team to "root" for we don't need fans like you (or about 20% of the so called fans on this board).
 
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utfantilidie said:
He should have been the starter all along. You can't teach speed and willpower. Did anyone else notice whenever Worley was around Dobbs , Dobb's would not talk or make eye contact with him. Dobb's book smarts shifting to the playing field as well.:good!:
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No... not really. You are imagining division where there is none. It is reasonable to believe UT would have won tonight with Worley. He would have managed the game differently and done most of his damage with his arm... but I and others called this game months ago.

Jones vs the OBC is a good match up for Jones.
 
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Why couldn't the offensive coaches realize that they needed to run the quarterback (even
Worley).. Dobbs was sacked once at Alabama...none at South Carolina...
 
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elitedb said:
Dobbs parents pushed for redshirt. With a fifth year of scholarship, Joshua Dobbs completes his Masters degree in Aerospace Engineering at atheltic department expense. It is why his parents were consulted and signed off on the burning of his redshirt. That probably ended his chance to complete his Masters while on scholarship.

Not an inconsequential donation from the Dobbs family to the team.
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If I'm not mistaken players get 5 years paid scholarships. Dobbs will be on scholarship after he graduates if he wants. Probably will be playing on Sundays though.
 
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None of this matters now. It's done and over.

Only thing that matters at this point is keeping the momentum on offense and figuring out what is going on with the defense( which I think mostly is running into two phenomenal wide outs named Cooper who were on their games).
 
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armchair said:
to admit it: Jones screwed up. Did you not see what Dobbs brought to the offense last year? Did you not see him run effectively? Here's the bottom line: He's better than Worley, he's ALWAYS been better than Worley. I want to stop talking about it but it's hard with all the revisionist nonsense being spouted.
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I've been critical of this staff and its mistakes. This isn't one of them. Worley is different. That doesn't mean UT would not have won this game or competed better than last year vs Bama. Dobbs has made a big difference but the OL is also holding blocks better. There's no question Worley has the better arm.

All of this "should have, would have" stuff in this case is manifestly stupid. We don't know what would have happened. What we do KNOW is UT has its QB of the next couple of years. I also wish he had three years of eligibility left... but Peterman wasn't good enough to allow that.
 
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Can't blame the coaches for wanting to preserve a year of his eligibility if they truly saw this type of player in him. If they felt Worley could get us through the year to a bowl game and could lock up a superstar QB for 3 years to make a Nat'l Championship run, why wouldn't you take that chance?
 
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armchair said:
to admit it: Jones screwed up. Did you not see what Dobbs brought to the offense last year? Did you not see him run effectively? Here's the bottom line: He's better than Worley, he's ALWAYS been better than Worley. I want to stop talking about it but it's hard with all the revisionist nonsense being spouted.
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You've taken a lot of heat on this board armchair, but I'm with you. Jones made a mistake at the qb position. Win this year with Dobbs and recruit THIS year one or two future dual threat QB's ( obviously they fit this offense ) to take over when Dobbs leaves.
 
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sjt18 said:
I've been critical of this staff and its mistakes. This isn't one of them. Worley is different. That doesn't mean UT would not have won this game or competed better than last year vs Bama. Dobbs has made a big difference but the OL is also holding blocks better. There's no question Worley has the better arm.

All of this "should have, would have" stuff in this case is manifestly stupid. We don't know what would have happened. What we do KNOW is UT has its QB of the next couple of years. I also wish he had three years of eligibility left... but Peterman wasn't good enough to allow that.
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The thing is this, if UT beats GA and FL, which was very possible even with Worley, this isn't even a discussion right now.

And in this scenario, most of the guys who are now saying Dobbs should have started would be on here gnashing their teeth hoping Worley could make it back from injury.
 
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