One play does not win or lose games, Dormady had 3 picks

#51
#51
Remy said:
Okay, I'll play, let's remove the pick of which you are complaining. He threw 2 picks, one for 6 the other way, and had the team within the 5 yard line twice and came away empty. He IS who is numbers really say he is, probably a great FCS QB, has no business playing the position in the SEC.
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Tell the truth. Did that ball go through MC's hands or not?
 
#52
#52
k-town_king said:
I have nothing against him. Some of you seem to hate facts. I have no problem with him.

You are just projecting your feelings. You hated on past QBs for whatever reason you want to blame me. Now because people fairly criticizes someone you like you think they are doing it for the reasons you did.
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What facts do you have that JG is even remotely ready to play? And no, I'm not on your level of racist.
 
#53
#53
k-town_king said:
I have nothing against him. Some of you seem to hate facts. I have no problem with him.

You are just projecting your feelings. You hated on past QBs for whatever reason you want to blame me. Now because people fairly criticizes someone you like you think they are doing it for the reasons you did.
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PURE BS. You've trashed the guy from the moment he started and JG didn't. You STILL blame him for a misplay and a ball that went right through the receiver's hands. Tough plays? Absolutely. But those are the kinds of plays that RECEIVERS have to make to beat good teams.
 
#54
#54
solivols said:
8-4 would be a miracle. The remaining potential wins are Kentucky, Missouri, UMass, and Southern Miss. This is a 6-6 team with this coaching staff. 10-2 with anybody else remotely competent.
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This ^
 
#56
#56
BearCat204 said:
What facts do you have that JG is even remotely ready to play? And no, I'm not on your level of racist.
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Ok. Keep projecting your thoughts on me. You hated on Dobbs for those reasons. Now you think anyone not praising a qb that just threw three picks is doing it for the same ignorant reasons as you.:eek:lol::crazy:


sjt18 said:
PURE BS. You've trashed the guy from the moment he started and JG didn't. You STILL blame him for a misplay and a ball that went right through the receiver's hands. Tough plays? Absolutely. But those are the kinds of plays that RECEIVERS have to make to beat good teams.
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He hasn't played well. He didn't play well. He threw three picks and completed less than 54%. Those are facts. Not trashing.

I said the slant wasn't his fault. The other two were bad passes. Even the announcers said the MC ball was a bad pass that was way too high.

Those "tough" plays are easy if he makes a decent pass.

I still am not seeing the "precision" passing and throwing the wrs open you told me about.
 
#57
#57
k-town_king said:
Ok. Keep projecting your thoughts on me. You hated on Dobbs for those reasons. Now you think anyone not praising a qb that just threw three picks is doing it for the same ignorant reasons as you.:eek:lol::crazy:




He hasn't played well. He didn't play well. He threw three picks and completed less than 54%. Those are facts. Not trashing.

I said the slant wasn't his fault. The other two were bad passes. Even the announcers said the MC ball was a bad pass that was way too high.

Those "tough" plays are easy if he makes a decent pass.

I still am not seeing the "precision" passing and throwing the wrs open you told me about.
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Never hated on Dobbs..... I just didn't agree that he was the greatest QB to ever play the position. And not anyone.... Just you, your posting history makes it clear your agenda.
 
#58
#58
k-town_king said:
Ok. Keep projecting your thoughts on me. You hated on Dobbs for those reasons. Now you think anyone not praising a qb that just threw three picks is doing it for the same ignorant reasons as you.:eek:lol::crazy:




He hasn't played well. He didn't play well. He threw three picks and completed less than 54%. Those are facts. Not trashing.

I said the slant wasn't his fault. The other two were bad passes. Even the announcers said the MC ball was a bad pass that was way too high.

Those "tough" plays are easy if he makes a decent pass.

I still am not seeing the "precision" passing and throwing the wrs open you told me about.
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Cool, he just needs 6 more games with 3 picks to match Dobbs.

Edit: never mind. Read the wrong column.
 
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#59
#59
Stuff happens. But, if you have someone tearing up the ground against Florida, why throw all passes inside the red zone?
 
#60
#60
solivols said:
8-4 would be a miracle. The remaining potential wins are Kentucky, Missouri, UMass, and Southern Miss. This is a 6-6 team with this coaching staff. 10-2 with anybody else remotely competent.
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I've been a Jones guy for the most part, but after today I'll have to give it up and agree
 
#61
#61
1) Dormady trying hard and will get better, but he's not fast enough to run this type of offense against very fast SEC defenses. Need to really develop JG now. JG would have still made a lot of mistakes too, but EVERYONE knows what type of QB you have to have to run this offense. Throws into multiple coverage too often and made really bad decisions. Just ask Tim Priest. This offense is designed for a VERY mobile QB.

2) Shoops defense is what it is. Barely hung in there with a marginal offense. He should go. We had timeouts left at the end of the game and none of those coaches even thought to use one to remind the D to NOT LET ANYONE GET BEHIND YOU TO THE ENDZONE! Situational awareness is woefully inadequate. Big defensive busts against a not very good FLA offense.

3) Butch is out of his league. Not an SEC coach. Horrible situational awareness along with Larry Scott on first and goal sitting on the UF goal line.Seven (7) plays inside the Nine (9) yd line...and we threw Seven passes. How do you NOT put your QB under center and run the ball? $3 Million bucks to not understand that common sense point of football is what he's being paid. And they're not developing the talent.

4) At 7-5, Butch is staying at UT. More than Butch, I've lost any faith in the UTBOD and the Admin. They want to go shopping at WalMart for football coaches, so why even get rid of Butch. No one over there is serious about returning this program to where it should be.

5) I feel bad for these kids. Kelly is a beast. Callaway ditto. Ty Chandler gonna be good. So many others too. But none of this talent matters if you can't develop them and you don't coach in such a way to win. I'll be pulling for the Vols, but I couldn't care less about Butch and Shoop at this point. I don't care either if they get butt hurt when we criticize them. They get paid waaaay too much to be offended or for the product they're delivering.

6) Vandy beat #18 K State tonight. Miss St. beat #12 LSU. Are you telling me they have more talent? No, they have better C O A C H I N G. A lot of football to be played, who knows what can happen. But I sure know what I saw two years ago vs. Oklahoma and FLA. I know what I saw last year vs. SCar and Vandy and I sure know what I saw today. Butch's body of work is a disturbing trend.
 
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#62
#62
Volz4lif3 said:
Cause of bad play calling.. on the coaches when Tennessee was in the red zone.. give the ball to the stud RB
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Kelly for days. Dormady should have been told he was not allowed to audible and to handoff to Kelly 3 times if needed.
 
#63
#63
sjt18 said:
Yeah. That's a GIANT pile of ignorant BS.

The pick 6 went through MC's hands with Dormady throwing under pressure. The one on the goal line was CLEARLY the fault of Palmer. Go back and watch it. Dormady released the ball as he was supposed to BEFORE Palmer made his break. Instead of completing the route... he inexplicably turned up field
Get Dormady some help and the O is going to be good. It is amazing how much better QD plays when receivers aren't screwing their routes up or dropping passes.

JG's one play... suggests he would have done WORSE under the pressure of that game. He couldn't even get a snap off.
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Thank you. An individual who understands what he sees. JG could not get one play off correctly. I don't blame him though. The coaches should not have put him in there
 
#64
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sjt18 said:
Not excuses... FACTS. Of course you've ignored FACTS for weeks so it isn't surprising that you'd take this angle.

And... if... and... if... and if... Fact is that Palmer could have made a play if he'd just done his job. He didn't... but go ahead and blame Dormady for THAT play. Or else make "excuses" that a previous play would have made it different.

Did it go through his hands or not? Was Dormady getting hit as he threw it?

So since we're playing the "if" game... IF UT's OL had prevented the pressure then maybe the ball is on target for a first down.

But for the football geniuses like you... it is much easier just to blame the QB. Of course if JG were the QB... I'd be saying the same things. The difference is that you'd be agreeing with me.

If the WR's played as well as Dormady in this game... UT wins. If the kickers hadn't blown 3 FG's... UT wins.

But... by all means continue your narrative that everything is Dormady's fault. He probably prevented the DB's from making a play on that last pass too, huh?

Yeah. He did. He made some bad throws. He played under extreme pressure. He didn't get the help he needed from the WR's. He was part of a team that lost... to say that Dormady's play lost the game however is just flat out ignoring what just happened.

BS. Take away JUST those two bad plays by WR's and UT wins without the drama.
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This is truth!
 
#65
#65
Remy said:
3 INTs one for a pick 6 DOES lose games, sit Dormady, play the underclassman at the QB position and play for the future. We're at best an 8-4 team at this point play Guarantano for the future.
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FL had three turnovers, too; a wash.
 
#67
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Vol_is_Lyfe18 said:
Even if you could build a solid case for the players losing this game, you can't build a solid case about why us looking sloppy all game, every game until it matters, isn't on the coaching staff's shoulders.

It was fun winning more games over the past couple of years, but we're talented enough to be taking these teams to the woodshed.

I wish I could be optimistic, but I've seen enough. It's felt like one long season since butch's second season. Every game is the same.
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It's almost as if we are seeing a 5th year coach reenact the latter Fulmer years...
 
#68
#68
Remy said:
3 INTs one for a pick 6 DOES lose games, sit Dormady, play the underclassman at the QB position and play for the future. We're at best an 8-4 team at this point play Guarantano for the future.
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The 3 missed FGS didnt help either- Choke , choke.
 
#69
#69
sjt18 said:
Yeah. That's a GIANT pile of ignorant BS.

The pick 6 went through MC's hands with Dormady throwing under pressure. The one on the goal line was CLEARLY the fault of Palmer. Go back and watch it. Dormady released the ball as he was supposed to BEFORE Palmer made his break. Instead of completing the route... he inexplicably turned up field.

Get Dormady some help and the O is going to be good. It is amazing how much better QD plays when receivers aren't screwing their routes up or dropping passes.

JG's one play... suggests he would have done WORSE under the pressure of that game. He couldn't even get a snap off.
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I thought you hated Jones. Some of the calls in the game were questionable and dumb. Florida relies on the dumb calls to win this game and we have been the better team 4 straight years and lost 3 of 4. The coaches overthought the calls. JK was running at 3-4 yards a carry. Put the ball in his hand and let him get that 1 yard for the TD. Make them stop him 3-4 times. They probably wouldn't. Florida's D puts their heads down and our D comes out jacked and kills the game off as their O can't get anything going. Let JK, CFA and TC run the ball and use play action to open the field. Maybe even simplify--put in basic routes-- the play book for them and drill them constantly on the same plays each practice.
 
#70
#70
armchair said:
I guess we should add Palmer to the list of players who coughed up this game.
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There were a lot of mistakes by a lot of players. Eliminate just one of those mistakes and Tennessee prolly won the game. Can Jones eliminate them? If 121 weren't so stupid and sloppy, they could beat just about anybody. But that is how they play, sloppy.
 
#72
#72
Dormady is the best QB in the country. He will make millions one day soon. Doubt we have him next year. Butch same too many mistakes in this game for the team to overcome. 1st and foal from the 1 after you've been running at will the entire series to get there. And you pass on first down? 3 pass plays inside the 10 with a minute to go? Basic rule any good high school coach knows. Never let them get behind you on the last play of the game. We may lose the jump ball, but youbat least contest the pass. We were so out of position we didn't even have a play on the ball. I've defended Butch since his hire. But I do believe we are witnessing Butch's style. This is it. We are at the ceiling with him. We will win our share of games, and go to a bowl game. This is the best team we've had in a long long time. He will win some championships here if he is able to stay, but he prepares his teams to win close games. And they play to make every game close. I think its his mentality. He never goes into a game expecting to dominate it.
 
#73
#73
Orange_Vol1321 said:
No Dormady did. He's Worley 2.0 but can pass better. Sit his azz and roll with JG.
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No. Just no. Dormady is clearly the best option. Dormady didn't lose the game. This one rests clearly on the shoulders of the coaches. Both sides of the ball.
 
#75
#75
Joe Vols said:
No. Just no. Dormady is clearly the best option. Dormady didn't lose the game. This one rests clearly on the shoulders of the coaches. Both sides of the ball.
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For the most part, Dormady's passes are right on the money. His stats don't reflect that. I agree with those that say only one interception yesterday was his fault. He's not quite on the same page with the receivers yet, but they're getting there. The positive side to this is we finally have talent at most positions. We just need the coaches to step up. The coaching sucks.
 
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