One more win UT top 25 team imo

[Dudleys87]

Yes, you heard him right: being a douche.

Too much "they" in your life, and not enough "we". You sound like you don't even care about our lads, only about how it affects your bragging rights on Monday morning at work.

Do I care about dudes getting hurt sure but I am not part of the team so "we" would imply that I am. They however does not.


So I'm still not being a douche, douche.

 

[Dudleys87]

Butch will get a bonus, a raise, and another extension for winning 9 games.

And being average.

 

[overseasorange2]

Make excuses all you want. There's no reason to lose to SC.
Butch can't beat arguably the worst HC in the SEC but is undefeated against a HOF? Then he blames the team? Players need to own this? He dropped the ball especially considering they had a week off prior to the game. Shoop hasn't been anything great all year but he did what he was brought here to do so he's already got his free pass I'm sure.

Injuries happen that's expected but playing like Tennessee does on D with or without a full roster and expecting them to beat a great team is premature

Many good teams have an off week and lose to a team they should not. See last weekend.....:crazy: Hell Clemson lost at home. At least SC was an away game. It's always hard to win on the road in the SEC, except for Bama of course.

 

[Dudleys87]

Many good teams have an off week and lose to a team they should not. See last weekend.....:crazy: Hell Clemson lost at home. At least SC was an away game. It's always hard to win on the road in the SEC, except for Bama of course.

I'd buy that if they didn't have a week off prior. Stop making excuses.

Good teams don't need miracles against inferior team either.

They've won at SC before against better teams no reason to lose to a worse team and a terrible HC.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Make excuses all you want. There's no reason to lose to SC.
Butch can't beat arguably the worst HC in the SEC but is undefeated against a HOF? Then he blames the team? Players need to own this? He dropped the ball especially considering they had a week off prior to the game. Shoop hasn't been anything great all year but he did what he was brought here to do so he's already got his free pass I'm sure.

Injuries happen that's expected but playing like Tennessee does on D with or without a full roster and expecting them to beat a great team is premature

I have been upset with Butch but you seem to put all this on him. I understand that but its just flat out wrong. Players have to execute. Coaches have to coach. Shoop has underperformed from the start but he hasn't had a full, healthy roster this season. This is not just fans saying this, most media personalities agree as well. Yes players have to own theur share of mistakes. Football is a team sport that requires coaching and execution. Would you say Urban Meyer cannot coach? His team lost to an unranked Penn State. Now was that on him? Did he execute his gameplan on the field or did his players fail to? Same goes for Harbaugh against Iowa. Again, you seem to equate injuries to excuses. Which just further reiterates my point about you being dense.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'd buy that if they didn't have a week off prior. Stop making excuses.

Good teams don't need miracles against inferior team either.

They've won at SC before against better teams no reason to lose to a worse team and a terrible HC.

So no good team has ever needed a miracle against an inferior team to win? Ok then.

Losses happen man its football. Upsets happen every single year. Hell, how many have happened this year? Its why the games are played on the field and not on paper. Surely you can understand this.

 

[Dudleys87]

I have been upset with Butch but you seem to put all this on him. I understand that but its just flat out wrong. Players have to execute. Coaches have to coach. Shoop has underperformed from the start but he hasn't had a full, healthy roster this season. This is not just fans saying this, most media personalities agree as well. Yes players have to own theur share of mistakes. Football is a team sport that requires coaching and execution. Would you say Urban Meyer cannot coach? His team lost to an unranked Penn State. Now was that on him? Did he execute his gameplan on the field or did his players fail to? Same goes for Harbaugh against Iowa. Again, you seem to equate injuries to excuses. Which just further reiterates my point about you being dense.

Show me where he owned it and I'll be more than happy to put the blame somewhere else. After the loss he said players need to own this.

I'd be just as upset if I were a fan of either of those schools.

There's simply no reason not to win with a week off and rested. How many good teams lose coming off a bye weeks to a freshman QB?

Hell I'd understand if it were at Georgia but against SC is unacceptable.

 

[Dudleys87]

So no good team has ever needed a miracle against an inferior team to win? Ok then.

Losses happen man its football. Upsets happen every single year. Hell, how many have happened this year? Its why the games are played on the field and not on paper. Surely you can understand this.

I do understand a lot of things.
Yea, good teams have a week or weeks when they don't perform well but you can't say good teams ride luck the way Tennessee did. The fact is Tennessee never played well when they had a better complement of players.

Tennessee should have never been in the position they were against App especially after the weeks and weeks of hearing how they weren't going to underestimate them.

 

[JACK8254]

Had we not gotten completely clobbered by Alabama and they held back the dogs late, we might be ranked. We are not a top 25 team yet. We had our chance.The loss to South Carolina was embarrassing.

iF WE WIN THE NEXT 2 GAMES- we will be in the top 25 by Bama time.

 

[BaldBiker]

iF WE WIN THE NEXT 2 GAMES- we will be in the top 25 by Bama time.

ummmmm......about that......we're ranked 19th.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

The CFP rankings are meaningless unless you are in the top 4.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The CFP rankings are meaningless unless you are in the top 4.

The CFP Committee also slates teams into the New Years Six bowls. Like the Sugar Bowl.

And on top of that, the SEC and other conferences use the CFP rankings to help determine which teams get slated to which bowls outside the New Years Six.

So not meaningless at all, Tall Guy.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

WE unfortunately will not be in the top 4 or the New Years 6.

So my point was that for Tennessee, the rankings will be meaningless.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

WE unfortunately will not be in the top 4 or the New Years 6.

So my point was that for Tennessee, the rankings will be meaningless.

I agree, we will definitely not be in the playoffs.

But not so fast ruling us out of the Sugar Bowl, a NY6 bowl. There are certainly still realistic paths that could get us there. Already being discussed in a couple of threads, so no need to repeat here.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Dudley has to be my least favorite person on this board right now. His annoying need to consistently dismiss all improvements of the team and ignore the fact last year, this year, and next year we are so much better and games are so much more enjoyable than years past. Tennessee is fine, and saying that isn't accepting mediocrity. Before 1998 when was our last championship? They don't grow on trees, and I would hope we have learned since Fulmer we don't want to pull the wool over our eyes with false positive realities. It's fine if dude doesn't think this team is good, I don't know Dudley. But dude.. You are giving your all to literally put down the Vols at all costs, and for what? Do you think the forums are going to come together and be like yeah **** this team. You need to go on somewhere and find better use of your time rather than arguing with 20 people at once about how the Vols are a joke and you think they are garbage, lol.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

JP, I honestly don't think our program has the respect, YET, that we need to get one of the New Years 6. We had a really good chance to get there this year, but due to injuries, "Prima Donnas", poor coaching decisions and gameday prep, inability to hold on to the football, and inability to put an inferior opponent away consistently; we didn't get there.

I predict they will put us in another New Years Eve or Dec 30 bowl against another Little 10 school.

You have to earn the respect.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

Dudley has to be my least favorite person on this board right now. His annoying need to consistently dismiss all improvements of the team and ignore the fact last year, this year, and next year we are so much better and games are so much more enjoyable than years past. Tennessee is fine, and saying that isn't accepting mediocrity. Before 1998 when was our last championship? They don't grow on trees, and I would hope we have learned since Fulmer we don't want to pull the wool over our eyes with false positive realities. It's fine if dude doesn't think this team is good, I don't know Dudley. But dude.. You are giving your all to literally put down the Vols at all costs, and for what? Do you think the forums are going to come together and be like yeah **** this team. You need to go on somewhere and find better use of your time rather than arguing with 20 people at once about how the Vols are a joke and you think they are garbage, lol.

I like ole Dudley--reminds me of the sidekick character to Arnold on Diff'rent Strokes--

Anyway, Dudley points out some real problems. We all may not agree with his method, or everything he says, but I applaud his consistency.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

JP, I honestly don't think our program has the respect, YET, that we need to get one of the New Years 6. We had a really good chance to get there this year, but due to injuries, "Prima Donnas", poor coaching decisions and gameday prep, inability to hold on to the football, and inability to put an inferior opponent away consistently; we didn't get there.

I predict they will put us in another New Years Eve or Dec 30 bowl against another Little 10 school.

You have to earn the respect.

I agree with the importance of earning respect. But in the case of the Sugar Bowl, it isn't really optional for the Committee. By contract, they will place the highest-ranked SEC team in the Sugar Bowl. If the highest-ranked team goes into the playoffs instead (Bama), they'll place the next-highest ranked. And that could be us.

If Tennessee finishes strong, to include at least a good showing in a loss in Atlanta, and both LSU and Auburn stumble (Auburn to Bama in the Iron Bowl, and LSU to A&M the same weekend), we will be the #2-ranked SEC team...and will go to the Sugar Bowl.

Now that's a lot of things that have to happen. But each one of them is realistic: we could beat both Mizzou and Vandy ... Bama could beat Auburn ... A&M could beat LSU ... we could perform better in Atlanta than we did the 3rd Sat in Oct.

Therefore, there is a realistic (if ambitious) path for us to the Sugar Bowl.

As I said, all this already covered in other threads, so my apologies for the repetition.

 

[The Tall Gguy]

No apologies needed. Bama will likely cruise to the playoffs.

We will likely win out. Hopefully LSU beats FLA, but loses to A&M.

I do think if we go to ATL, we will actually compete this time (see Tenn vs Aub 2004 --Lost 34-10 reg season, 38-28 SECCG)

So, yes, I agree that there is a chance...

But question:
If we lose in the SECCG, does that count against us in our rankings for CFP?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If we lose in the SECCG, does that count against us in our rankings for CFP?

That's a great question. I think it would go like this:

-- If we stink up the joint the way we did the 3rd Sat in Oct, the Committee will drop us in the rankings. Perhaps even drop us from the rankings.

-- If we win, of course, our stock is through the roof (very unlikely, but I have a picture of a pig flying in an F-15 here somewhere).

-- If we do what I think is most likely, and make it a decent game in a loss, I think we'll probably sit pat in the rankings or even nudge up a bit. Bama is so dominant, the Committee might very well "reward" a team for playing them fairly close.

But I guess we'll see, as long as we win out the next two weeks and LSU tosses the Gators into a shallow grave.

Go Vols!

 

[VolinMC]

Yes, you heard him right: being a douche.

Too much "they" in your life, and not enough "we". You sound like you don't even care about our lads, only about how it affects your bragging rights on Monday morning at work.

And that is a problem with a lot of people,bragging rights. They get upset and embarrassed when the team doesn't do as they bragged about and built up in their heads. Yes,this team had potential to do some special stuff but no one knew for sure u ntill they started playing. Way to many factors affect a football team each season(good or bad). This involves coaching,individual motivation,injuries,chemistry,so many different things.
They season has not played out the way most of us wanted but to be upset and calling for firings of coaches or benching of players because they didn't do it your way,well that's on each individual. Things can and have been a lot worse and no I'm not accepting mediocrity it's just I understand how football works.
Go Big Orange and win out the season!!