Once and For All: The Fulmer Debate Ends Here

Should Phillip Fulmer Have Been Fired?

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#2,477
#2,477
All the Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
Layin' in the sun,
Talkin' bout the things
They woulda-coulda-shoulda done...
But those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
All ran away and hid
From one little did.
- Shel Silverstein-

There is no reward or relevance in woulda-coulda-shoulda statments as they can never be put to test.

We no long hear question asked whether Bill Battle or Johnny Majors could have been in a title game if they were still the coach for a reason....different day...different era and new direction has passed them by.

It's time to pack the Fulmer woulda-coulda-shouldas up for good and let time and his record be the Fulmer era reference points.

I myself am looking forward to what our current coach does in his present era only to then be able to look back on what he did without the wonder of woulda-shoulda-coulda!
 
#2,481
#2,481
What a joke. Although, kudos for his honesty knowing the only way one of his teams had a shot in Hell was because the East was so bad.
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#2,482
#2,482
IBlvNTmWrk said:
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I don't know how anyone (Fulmer or fans) can really make a logical statement as to whether or not we would be in the SECC game. Way too many unknowns. However, it's certainly within reason (using what I assume Phil's logic to be) that given the fact USCjr won the SECE this year with their record a decent TN team would have been in the hunt.
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I can't say for sure, obviously. But our problem this year, for the most part, was the lack of depth and talent in the jr/sr classes. This was largely a result of the recruiting (somewhat) and the attrition (especially) for those two classes.

That situation would have been very, very similar with Fulmer still here (attrition was terrible under him during his last years.). No reason to remotely imagine that he would have done better than the two top 10 recruiting classes the last two years. And there's nothing in his body of coaching work that would suggest he ever got a lot out of a little.

I thank CPF for his years, but this claim is not at all credible.
 
#2,483
#2,483
Vol Mania 21 said:
i don't think ppl hate fulmer. i think its everyone is sick of fulmers BS comments and jabs he takes. he did a crap job his last 4 yrs
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So, if an average of 8-5 is a "crap job" of coaching, then you agree both Kiffin and Dooley (both worse than that) did a "crap job" of coaching, right?
 
#2,484
#2,484
Ericvol2096 said:
Here is the point that we all need to realize and take to heart in this whole situation.

No one, and I mean no one knows whether or not we would have won the east this year if Fulmer had stayed, and he just "worked like heck" to get us back.

But I think we can all agree that in that imaginary SEC championship game we would have gotten our ASSES handed to us by Auburn and we would be in the same SEC Chamionshipless rut that we are in now. But instead of having a young motivated coach with a plan that he knows how to execute to get us back to a Championship WINNING program sooner rather than later, we would have a coach on his last legs with no real direction of where the program would be in the next few years.

I think it is safe to say we are in better hands right now.

Lets move on! (I know we have, I guess it's him that needs to).
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Absolutely agree. If fulmer had stayed anothe 2 years they would have to haul him on to the field, roll him through the "T" on the injury cart because he would be so fat by then he wouldn't be able to wobble anymore on to it. Yeah, that's the kind of coach I would want my players to emulate, a coach that says do as I do. Pathetic!
 
#2,485
#2,485
winchestervol63 said:
I can't say for sure, obviously. But our problem this year, for the most part, was the lack of depth and talent in the jr/sr classes. This was largely a result of the recruiting (somewhat) and the attrition (especially) for those two classes.

That situation would have been very, very similar with Fulmer still here (attrition was terrible under him during his last years.). No reason to remotely imagine that he would have done better than the two top 10 recruiting classes the last two years. And there's nothing in his body of coaching work that would suggest he ever got a lot out of a little.

I thank CPF for his years, but this claim is not at all credible.
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Ignoring the little fact that he did, in fact, make the SEC title game every three years since 1997.
 
#2,486
#2,486
VegasVol said:
So, if an average of 8-5 is a "crap job" of coaching, then you agree both Kiffin and Dooley (both worse than that) did a "crap job" of coaching, right?
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When they are wading in his feces pile, then no.
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#2,488
#2,488
Ericvol2096 said:
Here is the point that we all need to realize and take to heart in this whole situation.

No one, and I mean no one knows whether or not we would have won the east this year if Fulmer had stayed, and he just "worked like heck" to get us back.

But I think we can all agree that in that imaginary SEC championship game we would have gotten our ASSES handed to us by Auburn and we would be in the same SEC Chamionshipless rut that we are in now. But instead of having a young motivated coach with a plan that he knows how to execute to get us back to a Championship WINNING program sooner rather than later, we would have a coach on his last legs with no real direction of where the program would be in the next few years.

I think it is safe to say we are in better hands right now.

Lets move on! (I know we have, I guess it's him that needs to).
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i'm with you on this.. i kinda agree w/ phil that he would've had us in the SECCG (hunt) this year with the east being so bad, but i am glad we've got a young, fiery coach in CDD. the reason i think phil would've had better seasons the past 2 years than we had is because we wouldn't have had the attrition and lack of depth. before he was ousted, he had put together a pretty nice recruiting class and there's no reason to think he wouldn't have done that again last year. i don't think he is the greatest coach in the world, but i don't think he is as awful as many of you make him out to be.

that being said, i think we are in very capable hands now and phil should stop making these comments. it makes him look bitter and whiny.
 
#2,489
#2,489
I want to like Phil, and remember his good times. I really, really do....but then he opens his mouth.
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#2,492
#2,492
NYYVol said:
When they are wading in his feces pile, then no.
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So, your "feces" pile would be:
Wes Brown
Dan Williams
Montori Hughes
Chris Walker
Jacques Smith
Marlon Walls
Ben Martin
Nick Reveiz
Herman Lathers
Prentiss Waggner
Chris Scott
Jacques McClendon
Dallas Thomas
Jequari Schofield
Josh McNeil
Jonathan Crompton
Gerald Jones
Denarius Moore
Taurean Poole
Luke Stocker
 
#2,494
#2,494
What a joke...the game passed him by some time ago, and as well, he lost control of his team 2-3 years before he was terminated.

Yeah...old phil is starting to show up on the air ways....guess he is letting the footbal community know he is still available.
 
#2,495
#2,495
VegasVol said:
So, your "feces" pile would be:
Wes Brown
Dan Williams
Montori Hughes
Chris Walker
Jacques Smith
Marlon Walls
Ben Martin
Nick Reveiz
Herman Lathers
Prentiss Waggner
Chris Scott
Jacques McClendon
Dallas Thomas
Jequari Schofield
Josh McNeil
Jonathan Crompton
Gerald Jones
Denarius Moore
Taurean Poole
Luke Stocker
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More like the years 1999-2008.
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#2,496
#2,496
ENGRVOL said:
Funny how when Fulmer goes 6-2 in the SEC in 2007 he is backing into the championship but when Spurrier goes 5-3 in the SEC in 2010 losing to Kentucky in the process he is a genius.

But Newton would have torn up Chavis and Fulmer
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:crazy:You sir are the master of the obvious!

Unless I missed something, it appeared to me that Newton tore up every defense in the SEC that faced him even without Fulmer to be blamed for it.
 
#2,497
#2,497
KYVolFan said:
:crazy:You sir are the master of the obvious!

Unless I missed something, it appeared to me that Newton tore up every defense in the SEC that faced him even without Fulmer to be blamed for it.
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and he did it for only $200,000...what a deal
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#2,498
#2,498
VegasVol said:
Yeah, Fulmer's nuts to think he could get UT in the SEC title game every three years. It's not like he did it every 3 years since 1997...oh wait.

Let me know when we can complain bitterly about 9-win and 10-win seasons again with SEC title appearances as just "awful" and "embarrassing."
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Is that you, Phil?
 
#2,499
#2,499
He makes a pretty good point. In all honesty, he probably would have had a team that wasn't lacking experience like this years team. The East was terrible and I think Fulmer would have had a chance. Doesn't mean he should be our coach....winning the east this year really isn't something to brag about.
 
#2,500
#2,500
UTvol1fn said:
He makes a pretty good point. In all honesty, he probably would have had a team that wasn't lacking experience like this years team. The East was terrible and I think Fulmer would have had a chance. Doesn't mean he should be our coach....winning the east this year really isn't something to brag about.
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Tell that to some of the Cock fans.
 
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