Once again the Florida vs Tennessee game will be THE most critical game ......

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KBVol said:
We haven't "beaten Florida regularly" since the early 1950s.....1916 to 1955 to be exact. Let that sink in.
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No time better than the present to get it back.

Your Debby downer pessimism is getting old. If you don't believe in this team, go root for someone else.
 
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Such flawed thinking. EVERY game, from the opening kick and snap with Appalachian State to the last whistle of the last game, EVERY game is critical. Otherwise, the Vols will be playing in another meaningless bowl game.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Look I was talking to stupid Tennessee fans who would rather go 9-3 with a win over Florida than going 11-1 with a loss to Florida.

I never said its okay to lose ANY game. Especially to a division rival. However, I just don't place a win over Florida higher than winning the SEC championship or a national title.

That is all.

FYI I expect to be beating Florida regularly once again.
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Sad part is if went 11-1 last year than we're still sitting at home watching UF play OM.
 
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Florida's win over us last year started their run to an Eastern Division title. A win over them this year would ignite our run to Atlanta this time around. We theoretically could win the East without beating Florida. But that would mean scoreboard watching and hoping Florida loses after beating us.
 
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The only 2 teams I'm worried about this year are georgia and alabama. Florida--they have too many issues on offense to beat UT!
 
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VolsRule said:
The only 2 teams I'm worried about this year are georgia and alabama. Florida--they have too many issues on offense to beat UT!
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Saban thinks Tennesse will win the east. Georgia will have problems offensively. Plus Peyton is coming back to UT to be the new QB coach. To be announced the Saturday at halftime during the Orange?White scrimmage. Did you think the Offense will improve with Peyton at the wheel? You know it freaking will. GO VOLS!!!:rock::rock:
 
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1standgoal said:
Saban thinks Tennesse will win the east. Georgia will have problems offensively. Plus Peyton is coming back to UT to be the new QB coach. To be announced the Saturday at halftime during the Orange?White scrimmage. Did you think the Offense will improve with Peyton at the wheel? You know it freaking will. GO VOLS!!!:rock::rock:
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We don't have an open coaching spot, do we? I think we are at our limit for coaches allowed?
 
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johnrlansford said:
We don't have an open coaching spot, do we? I think we are at our limit for coaches allowed?
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Peyton said puiblicly 2 weeks ago on ESPN that was the only job he would consider in the future, and that he was not interested in any NFL office position, or being an a head coach at any college level university. QB coach to be announced this Saturday. UT has already announced there will be a major announcement at halftime. Butch isn't leaving. QB coach only position coach lacking on current staff. You know they can easily make room for the MVP of 2 super bowls. Did someone say OMAHA? You bet they will Saturday. Talk about recruiting taking off. Will probably sign a class next year of 22-25 five star recruits. Tennessee is slowly rising from the ashes Dooley and Kiffin left. Can't wait for 2017 and beyond. Just have to say it one more time, blue, 95, cross, OMAHA, hut, hut. Go VOLS!!!!!:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::eek:k::eek:k::good!::yes::whistling::pepper::pepper::rock2::peace::peace:
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No time better than the present to get it back.

Your Debby downer pessimism is getting old. If you don't believe in this team, go root for someone else.
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Stfu with your self righteous "go root for someone else" BS. I've been a fan rooting for Tennessee for much longer than you've been alive. Simply providing a little context for you regarding the history of our series with Florida. What's actually beyond old is your ridiculous statements such as "if Butch steps off their throats I'd call for him to be fired on the spot"....that's a fan fine fan's perspective there son.

The average score of the last 33 games (25 of which UF has won) in this series, dating back to 1969 when we started playing Florida on a more regular basis, is Florida 27, Tennessee 21 ........ your idiotic calling for Jones' job if he can't pull off a 59-0 type win this year over a team/program that's controlled this series for a very long time doesn't say much for your fandom to say the least.
 
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VolsRule said:
The only 2 teams I'm worried about this year are georgia and alabama. Florida--they have too many issues on offense to beat UT!
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Last year they had a freshman QB making his second or third start, an OL very similar to ours in 2014, meaning AWFUL....and a #1 WR who was a true freshman.....and it didn't much matter to the outcome of the game. How in the world could they have more offensive issues in McElwain's second season than his first?
 
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KBVol said:
Last year they had a freshman QB making his second or third start, an OL very similar to ours in 2014, meaning AWFUL....and a #1 WR who was a true freshman.....and it didn't much matter to the outcome of the game. How in the world could they have more offensive issues in McElwain's second season than his first?
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Well they again have a new QB that has already transferred from 2 schools bc he couldn't win the starting job. Their O-line hasn't improved much due to it taking a while to recruit a good line. That #1 WR is currently suspended due to allegations of sexual assault (he hasn't been arrested yet so I think it's a he said she said incident). But none of thaw reasons are why we will make their O look bad this year. Shoop is one of the best defensive minds at the college level. He is aggressive and blitzes like crazy. We will bring the house on 4th down this year not sit back and let them pick us apart
 
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08Vol said:
Well they again have a new QB that has already transferred from 2 schools bc he couldn't win the starting job. Their O-line hasn't improved much due to it taking a while to recruit a good line. That #1 WR is currently suspended due to allegations of sexual assault (he hasn't been arrested yet so I think it's a he said she said incident). But none of thaw reasons are why we will make their O look bad this year. Shoop is one of the best defensive minds at the college level. He is aggressive and blitzes like crazy. We will bring the house on 4th down this year not sit back and let them pick us apart
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Don't quite understand your point about the OL. Would think that another year in the program, in the S&C program, with a year's experience under their belt would make em better. I know that they were rotating up to 3 true freshmen pretty regularly last year. I know I certainly expected last year's Tennessee OL to be better than it was the year before, and it was....and I certainly expect it to be better still this season. Not sure why Florida's wouldn't improve as well.

I'm as excited as anybody about Shoop. I expect what you do, but we've not seen anything yet.
 
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1standgoal said:
Peyton said puiblicly 2 weeks ago on ESPN that was the only job he would consider in the future, and that he was not interested in any NFL office position, or being an a head coach at any college level university. QB coach to be announced this Saturday. UT has already announced there will be a major announcement at halftime. Butch isn't leaving. QB coach only position coach lacking on current staff. You know they can easily make room for the MVP of 2 super bowls. Did someone say OMAHA? You bet they will Saturday. Talk about recruiting taking off. Will probably sign a class next year of 22-25 five star recruits. Tennessee is slowly rising from the ashes Dooley and Kiffin left. Can't wait for 2017 and beyond. Just have to say it one more time, blue, 95, cross, OMAHA, hut, hut. Go VOLS!!!!!:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::eek:k::eek:k::good!::yes::whistling::pepper::pepper::rock2::peace::peace:
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Everyone knows what Peyton said but what i am saying is that our coaching staff is full(We have the maximum amount of coaches we can have per the NCAA, if I am not mistaken.)

We lost Jancek, we gained Shoop. We lost Elder we gained Scott. We can't just have as many coaches as we want the NCAA limits the amount of coaches allowed on the field. It may be an offensive quality control or something of the sort but I was just wondering. I would love for Peyton to coach here i am just doubting that is what the announcement is for. But I will gladly be wrong.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah.... Freeze inherited a healthy program, right? Bielema perhaps worse than Jones as well.

You can argue fine points but Saban should not have been able to beat UT in his first year considering what he took over.... nor Mullen.... nor even McElwain last year.... or Muschamp in the two seasons prior.

Jones should be 2-1 vs UF at this point. He isn't. Time to turn that around.
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This was my point exactly! Nobody loses to first year head coaches except Tennessee and I'm tired of it. Not only did Saban beat us his first year at ALABAMA but they beat the PI$$ out of UT. It's crazy, I've never seen anything like it. If Smart beats UT his first year I'm going to lose my mind.

I understand Butch took over a mess but this year should have NO EXCUSES! UF embarrassed UT last year to the point that I think it set them back in recruiting a little. Arkansas was a disaster also....Beat UT...at Neyland.....
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Flip, you do know that the 2015 Florida squad under 1st year coach Jim McElwain also beat 10-3 Georgia and 10-3 Ole Miss, right?
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Florida also beat 4-8 Vandy at home 9-7, beat 3-9 Florida Atlantic at home, in overtime, 20-14, lost to 10-3 FSU at home 27-2, and got completely dominated by a good, not great Big 10 team Michigan 41-7

I'm not sure what all that means JP. Bottom line, we blew a golden opportunity to end the streak last year to a Florida team in flux with a new coaching staff, no established QB and WR corps, behind a god-awful, beyond patchwork offensive line. Obviously, I tend to share Flip's frustration, if not borderline disbelief in our program's inability to beat Florida's program no matter who the players, coaches and ADs are.
 
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KBVol said:
Florida also beat 4-8 Vandy at home 9-7, beat 3-9 Florida Atlantic at home, in overtime, 20-14, lost to 10-3 FSU at home 27-2, and got completely dominated by a good, not great Big 10 team Michigan 41-7

I'm not sure what all that means JP. Bottom line, we blew a golden opportunity to end the streak last year to a Florida team in flux with a new coaching staff, no established QB and WR corps, behind a god-awful, beyond patchwork offensive line. Obviously, I tend to share Flip's frustration, if not borderline disbelief in our program's inability to beat Florida's program no matter who the players, coaches and ADs are.
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UF's O last year was indeed dismal post Grier, but that D was good enough to help them win close games...notwithstanding the implosions in the last 2 games.

While it doesn't ease any of my frustration either, I think JP's point is valid...that 1st year coach beat some other decent teams and did give LSU a bit of a scare even without Grier.
 
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KBVol said:
Florida also beat 4-8 Vandy at home 9-7, beat 3-9 Florida Atlantic at home, in overtime, 20-14, lost to 10-3 FSU at home 27-2, and got completely dominated by a good, not great Big 10 team Michigan 41-7

I'm not sure what all that means JP. Bottom line, we blew a golden opportunity to end the streak last year to a Florida team in flux with a new coaching staff, no established QB and WR corps, behind a god-awful, beyond patchwork offensive line. Obviously, I tend to share Flip's frustration, if not borderline disbelief in our program's inability to beat Florida's program no matter who the players, coaches and ADs are.
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Yeah, KB, you're right. Florida was absolutely a Jekyll and Hyde kind of program in 2015. Utterly incomprehensible, and you could argue in either direction what that means about its 1st year coach.

I was simply pointing out to FlipDaddy that we were certainly not the only good program to get the Jekyll (or was it Hyde?) treatment.

See, there's a logical fallacy buried in the flow of this conversation. If the argument had continued along the line of, "other 1st year coaches can have great success, so why couldn't Butch?" (which is where the conversation seemed to be centered), that's a logically coherent argument.

To shift from that into the victims of those 1st year coaches, and imply that Tennessee is bad because we're always a victim (which is, btw, also not true), that breaks the original logic; it is a very different thing. Now you're no longer comparing Butch's first year to other coaches in their first year (apples to apples), you're comparing Butch at any point in his career to any other coach in their first year (apples to oranges). And making mistakes in the process, like saying "we're the only one."

That's all I was saying to Flip, is that McElwain beat more good teams than just Tennessee in his first year, invalidating that part of his argument.
 
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JC61 said:
UF's O last year was indeed dismal post Grier, but that D was good enough to help them win close games...notwithstanding the implosions in the last 2 games.

While it doesn't ease any of my frustration either, I think JP's point is valid...that 1st year coach beat some other decent teams and did give LSU a bit of a scare even without Grier.
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He's an excellent coach to be sure. One only had to look at his pedigree and how he applied it at Colorado State and how he completely turned thst program around in short order.

That being said, he had no business beating us and going to Atlanta last year IMO given the circumstances of his 2015 team. And to the OP's original point and his frustration, why could McElwain step into a difficult situation at Florida and win the East, while Jones stepped into a difficult, granted worse situation, and couldn't beat Vandie even and get to .500 in year one? Not a 10 win season, not an SECCG appearance.....just a 6 win season and a low level bowl? That's where the frustration stems from.
 
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KBVol said:
Don't quite understand your point about the OL. Would think that another year in the program, in the S&C program, with a year's experience under their belt would make em better. I know that they were rotating up to 3 true freshmen pretty regularly last year. I know I certainly expected last year's Tennessee OL to be better than it was the year before, and it was....and I certainly expect it to be better still this season. Not sure why Florida's wouldn't improve as well.

I'm as excited as anybody about Shoop. I expect what you do, but we've not seen anything yet.
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Their line will be marginally better this year but the fact remains their returning center and guard were 3* recruits for a reason. They aren't going to the NFL next year, they are place holders that are slightly better than the Fr and So that might actually have some talent. Ivey is the only player on their line with all star potential and he's a So.
In relation to our improvement on the line remember we brought in an OC whose main expertise is O-line and it shows. Also De Rio is not as mobile as Greer which puts more pressure on the line
 
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08Vol said:
Their line will be marginally better this year but the fact remains their returning center and guard were 3* recruits for a reason. They aren't going to the NFL next year, they are place holders that are slightly better than the Fr and So that might actually have some talent. Ivey is the only player on their line with all star potential and he's a So.
In relation to our improvement on the line remember we brought in an OC whose main expertise is O-line and it shows. Also De Rio is not as mobile as Greer which puts more pressure on the line
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Our center Thomas was a 3 star, and our RG Wiesman was a 2 star on both 247 and Scout, and the argument can be made they're our 2 best OLs at this point. All I'm saying is that we don't know how good or how bad Florida's OL is gonna be this year. I'm just trying to be consistent.....if we think ours will be better this year after another year in the system and with some game experience, and I do....why would we not think the same applies for Florida?
 
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