On The Record: Is Hamilton to Blame?

Is Mike Hamilton to blame for Tennessee's off-the-field issues?

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#52
#52
eh, i haven't been a fan of some of the things hamilton has done over the past 2-3 years, but it's still unfair to point the finger at solely one person. tennessee is in the situation they're in currently because of a combination of factors.

as for the off the field issues, most definitely not.
 
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#55
#55
Tenacious D said:
Then we agree on the end point, but differ on how we get there.

It all comes down to personal decision-making and responsibility, but perhaps more could (or should) have been done several years ago to ensure for it.

It's telling that MH has been the AD for several years now, yet we only recently hired Andre Lott as "Character Development" or whatever it's officially called. Was that position only recently discovered as being required? Props to Dooley for doing it.....but it shouldn't have taken Dooley to insist on it. That's essentially the crux of my question.
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youre right again. not only did dooley walk into a program with little to no depth and wide gap to make up in order to catch the rivals of the SEC but it looks as if he is going ot have to be the discipline too. this has to be laid at fulmers feet to some degree. i am not one of those who want to keep beating that horse but he had no discipline at all. nor did he ever as long as he was head coach.

so the long way around to say yeah i think we probably do need a stronger AD but i dont think the bar thing was all his responsibility, if any
 
#56
#56
It is absolutely not Hamilton's fault. These kids are adults. They cannot be watched 24 hours a day. They are gien a free education and a chance to make the NFL. If they don't appreciate that and behave like civilized people, you can't blame anybody but them. If they are allowed to stay on the team and something else happens, then you can put some blame on the coach and AD.
 
#59
#59
GoVols said:
The ignorant say ignorant statements. There is absolutely no way you can blame MH for this. It's not like it started when he got here.
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No one is saying that MH somehow allowed or could have prevented this most recent incident, in any regard, but rather, that has not done enough to ensure that these types of occurrences are greatly reduced in the future.

Here's another way to ask the question: What has MH done to curb, or even address, the seemingly perpetual occurrence of episodes similiar to this one? He's been AD for several years, surely he has done more than say you'll be gone for committing a crime involving a handgun....because that only came out after we had a player charged with committing a crime involving a handgun.

I do recall that he did take some initiative in raising the number of positive tests that an athlete could have before facing serious sanctions. Now, I don't know what message he intended by introducing a more lenient drug testing policy (which, oddly, seemed to lower the threshold of personal responsibility, if I am not mistaken), but I doubt that he believed that such would increase the overall, "character" of the program.
 
#60
#60
Again, Mike Hamilton admitted that it is part of his responsibility. He didn't say that it was solely his responsibility, but he did say that curtailing this stuff is part of his job. We have one of the worst reputations in college football. Thus, he is failing miserably (along with many others) in that part of his job. You guys are arguing just as much with Mike Hamilton as you're the starter of this thread.
 
#61
#61
fernandomike said:
Again, Mike Hamilton admitted that it is part of his responsibility. He didn't say that it was solely his responsibility, but he did say that curtailing this stuff is part of his job. We have one of the worst reputations in college football. Thus, he is failing miserably (along with many others) in that part of his job. You guys are arguing just as much with Mike Hamilton as you're the starter of this thread.
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Correct! Recognizing something as part of your job is a start, but he's been in the position for a long, long time. At what point should he be held accountable for having failed to do anything about it?

In my mind, that was long ago.
 
#62
#62
I don't know if I blame him for this latest incident, sure he is AS responsible as much as anyone in the administration can be. The thing that REALLY BUGS me is the fact that there are so many "just arrived on campus" freshman involved in these incidents. Yes, I think it would be difficult to monitor the football team 24 hours a day, and I'm not proposing that course. I would think that it would be very easy to know where the 20-28 true freshmen are SUPPOSED to be. Before you ask, no, I don't think one rule fits all. Seniors have earned the right to live off campus, or they turned 21 and can legally drink. Freshmen need to have a curfew, a very structured schedule and plenty of supervision.

In other words I think the policy regarding what freshmen athletes are allowed to do has some flaws, and I think that is obvious. I think an upperclassman that sits there and watches or participates while a freshman gets in trouble should be stripped of his rights to live off campus. In the sense that it doesn't appear current policy works, yes I think Hamilton is to blame and the NCAA too, but don't get me started on them.
 
#63
#63
A man is responsible for his own actions not the actions of another man. Mike shoulders his share of blames but he never hit a cop, off duty and drunk or not.
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#64
#64
DD4ME said:
A man is responsible for his own actions not the actions of another man. Mike shoulders his share of blames but he never hit a cop, off duty and drunk or not.
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Wow ....awesome thoughts. Great input !:dance:
 
#65
#65
Good gravy... The way people talk about the guy, you'd think Mike Hamilton:
  1. is personally responsible for the behaviors of each individual player
  2. is personally responsible for the silent, hand-sitting geriatric mutes that attend games
  3. single-handedly managed to cause the ocean levels to rise
  4. is the root cause of the recent recession
  5. caused the oil well leak in the Gulf of Mexico
  6. is mentioned in the apocalyptic writings of several disparate world religions
  7. kicks puppies and kittens for fun.

There are really only two decisions I hold against the guy - keeping Fulmer around too long, and hiring the currently inept baseball coach. Beyond those two things, I think he's done a pretty darned good job.

It's easy to sit from afar and speculate on a person's job peformance. We don't have the information he has access to or the responsibilities he has to the multiple parties that require his attention (coaches, boosters, administration, et al). It's fairly pointless to snipe and needle when there's so little objective data and corroborating documentation to back it up.
 
#66
#66
There are really only two decisions I hold against the guy - keeping Fulmer around too long, and hiring the currently inept baseball coach. Beyond those two things, I think he's done a pretty darned good job.

this is absolutely right. i think its (lack of discipline) indirectly his bad for keeping fulmer too long like you said but he is also the one who got Dooley who seems to be turning this around.

but the individual is responsible for their own actions. so if the players committed a crime they should pay for it
 
#67
#67
Tenacious D said:
No one is saying that MH somehow allowed or could have prevented this most recent incident, in any regard, but rather, that has not done enough to ensure that these types of occurrences are greatly reduced in the future.

Here's another way to ask the question: What has MH done to curb, or even address, the seemingly perpetual occurrence of episodes similiar to this one? He's been AD for several years, surely he has done more than say you'll be gone for committing a crime involving a handgun....because that only came out after we had a player charged with committing a crime involving a handgun.

I do recall that he did take some initiative in raising the number of positive tests that an athlete could have before facing serious sanctions. Now, I don't know what message he intended by introducing a more lenient drug testing policy (which, oddly, seemed to lower the threshold of personal responsibility, if I am not mistaken), but I doubt that he believed that such would increase the overall, "character" of the program.
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Still trying to figure out why he raised it from 3 failed test to 4...
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#70
#70
utvolpj said:
he changed it to match the rest of the conf
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That's the reason he gave, IIRC.

I understand why he did it, but don't believe that it was something that should have been done, if only for the implicitly stated message I believe it sent.

I don't see how allowing more failed drug tests - even if this puts you on par with other SEC schools - makes any positive contribution to either the image or "character" of the program. But it was his call to make, and he made it.

Glad to see your comments in this thread, UT.
 
#71
#71
The coaches have to guide them. A few years ago we were in Knoxville while my sons attended football camp. One day I walked in the indoor facility and here sits Ainge. All slouched out in a chair with 3 girls with him. He was dressed like Vanilla Ice. White, silky warm up suit, bling all over him, dark shades, punked hair do. I thought, what a punk. The next year, after Cutliff had came back, we were back for practice for the KY/TN HS game and I entered the practice facility again. Here sits Ainge at the same place, neat haircut, UT sweats, doing his homework. They said the first thing Cutcliff told him was to change his image.
 
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