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On September 14 in Baseball History...
  • 1872 - An unusual play highlights the Athletics-Boston match in Philadelphia. With the Athletics leading 4-1 in the seventh inning, and runners on first and second, Fergy Malone pops up to shortstop George Wright. Wright catches the ball in his hat and then throws the ball to third base, after which it is thrown to second base. Wright claims a double play has been completed, as a batter cannot be retired with a "hat catch," and thus runners Cap Anson and Bob Reach are forced out. The umpire finally gives Malone another at bat, declaring nobody out. The Athletics win 6-4.

  • 1878- The Cincinnati Red Stockings and Indianapolis Blues play an exhibition game in which they experiment with calling every pitch a ball or a strike and allowing only six balls for a walk. The rules up to this time provide for the umpire to call a "warning pitch" on the first wide delivery. The reaction is favorable.

  • 1890 - When the Buffalo Players League club captain Jay Faatz disagrees with management, Connie Mack become captain of the team. This unofficially marks the start of Mack's managing career that spans more than half a century.

  • 1903 - Red Ames' debut with the New York Giants was a five-inning, 5-0, no-hit victory over the St. Louis Cardinals. The game was called in mid-afternoon because of unusual darkness.

  • 1905 - Joe Tinker and Johnny Evers engage in a fistfight on the field during an exhibition game in Washington, Indiana, because Evers took a taxi to the park, leaving his teammates in the hotel lobby. The pair will not speak to each other again for thirty-three years.

  • 1913 - Cubs hurler Larry Cheney hurls a 14-hit shutout against the Giants, defeating them 7-0 while setting a Major League record for most hits allowed in a whitewashing. Milt Gaston of Washington will duplicate the feat on July 10, 1928.

  • 1923 - Red Sox first baseman George Burns pulled off an unassisted triple play against the Cleveland Indians.

  • 1924 - Walter Johnson is elected American League Most Valuable Player with fifty-five points. White Sox second baseman Eddie Collins is second in the voting. He was runner-up to Babe Ruth in 1923.

  • 1951 - Bob Nieman of the St. Louis Browns hit home runs in his first two at-bats in the majors. Both came off Boston Red Sox pitcher Mickey McDermott. The Red Sox won 9-6.

  • 1954 - Johnny Antonelli's twenty-first win of the year is a 1-0 victory over the Cardinals. A first-inning double by Willie Mays is his 82nd extra-base hit, breaking Mel Ott's team record.

  • 1955 - Herb Score of the Indians breaks Grover Alexander's rookie record of 235 strikeouts. He finishes the season with 245.

  • 1958 - The Yankees win their 24th pennant, and ninth under Casey Stengel. This ties Casey for first with Connie Mack for the most American League pennants won.

  • 1968 - Denny McLain of the Detroit Tigers beat the Oakland A's 5-4 to become the first pitcher since Dizzy Dean in 1934 to win thirty games.

  • 1975 - The Red Sox top the Brewers 8-6 as Robin Yount breaks Mel Ott's 47-year-old record by playing in his 242nd game as a teenager.

  • 1986 - Bob Brenly of San Francisco tied a Major League record with four errors in one inning, but atoned with two homers, including the game-winner, to give the Giants a 7-6 victory over the Atlanta Braves. Brenly, normally a catcher, was playing third base.

  • 1987 - Ernie Whitt hit three of Toronto's Major League record 10 home runs as the Blue Jays rolled to an 18-3 victory over the Orioles. Baltimore shortstop Cal Ripken, Jr. had his consecutive-inning streak stopped at 8,243 when he was replaced at shortstop by Ron Washington in the eighth inning.

  • 1989 - Jeff Reardon saves Minnesota's 2-0 win over Toronto to become the first pitcher ever to record at least 30 saves in five consecutive seasons.

  • 1990 - Ken Griffey and his son hit back-to-back homers in the first inning of the Seattle Mariners' 7-5 loss to the California Angels. The unprecedented father-and-son homers came off Kirk McCaskill.

  • 1994- The baseball season, already shut down by a month-long strike, was canceled along with the World Series in a vote by 26-of-28 teams.

  • 1996 - Oakland's Mark McGwire became the 13th Major Leaguer to hit 50 home runs in a season in a 9-8 loss to Cleveland.

  • 1996 - Todd Hundley's opposite-field home run ties the game between the Mets and Braves and breaks Roy Campanella's record for homers by a catcher with forty-one.

  • 1998- The Atlanta Braves clinched their seventh straight division crown, winning the National League East with a victory over the Philadelphia Phillies. Among the major pro sports leagues - baseball, NFL, NBA and NHL - only seven franchises have finished first during the regular season at least seven times in a row.


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I enjoyed watching the Dodgers pitching staff when Rick Honeycutt was their coach. I went to school with him and used to watch he and Condredge toe the mound for the VOLS in the day. I pull for LA when they're not playing the Braves.
I don’t pull for the Dodgers but I love Freddie and will always root for his success.
 
I’ve always respected Kershaw’s ability also. He has been the best pitcher of his era imo.
Yea , best whole starting staff I've ever seen is the Braves of the 90's Smoltz, Glavine,Maddux and the underrated one was Steve Avery... but Dodgers have had great staffs as well. ..., Koufax,Drysdale was one hell of a 1,2 punch...
 
If Kershaw hadn’t been injured over the past several seasons then he would probably have ~230ish wins to his name and would have an outside shot at getting to 300 if he pitched 5 more seasons. As it sits now, he is at 209 wins and has an opportunity to get to 250 if he decides to pitch 4 more seasons with at least 10 wins. He would have been a phenomenal pitcher in any era.

13 seasons with a sub-3.00 ERA
9 seasons with a sub-2.50 ERA
3 seasons with a sub-2.00 ERA
4 consecutive seasons leading MLB in ERA
8 seasons with a sub-1.000 WHIP
4 seasons with a sub-0.900 WHIP
3 Cy Young Awards in 4 seasons
6 top 3 Cy Young Award finishes
1 NL MVP
 
If Kershaw hadn’t been injured over the past several seasons then he would probably have ~230ish wins to his name and would have an outside shot at getting to 300 if he pitched 5 more seasons. As it sits now, he is at 209 wins and has an opportunity to get to 250 if he decides to pitch 4 more seasons with at least 10 wins. He would have been a phenomenal pitcher in any era.

13 seasons with a sub-3.00 ERA
9 seasons with a sub-2.50 ERA
3 seasons with a sub-2.00 ERA
4 consecutive seasons leading MLB in ERA
8 seasons with a sub-1.000 WHIP
4 seasons with a sub-0.900 WHIP
3 Cy Young Awards in 4 seasons
6 top 3 Cy Young Award finishes
1 NL MVP
Outstanding career! I don’t hold today’s pitchers to the 300 win standard. With specialists, relievers, closers etc... we probably won’t see another 300 game winner?
Verlander, Kershaw, Greinke, Scherzer, even Wainwright, are some of the best of all time imo. Simply due to the their success in an extremely juiced up offensive era.
 
Outstanding career! I don’t hold today’s pitchers to the 300 win standard. With specialists, relievers, closers etc... we probably won’t see another 300 game winner?
Verlander, Kershaw, Greinke, Scherzer, even Wainwright, are some of the best of all time imo. Simply due to the their success in an extremely juiced up offensive era.
Pitchers are too coddled in today’s age. 250 will become the new “300”.
 
Heck, 200 probably with the next generation ! Gerrit Cole has like 130+ wins but he’s 33 years old.
If I’m not mistaken, he’s the youngest of the current win leaders?
He would have to average about 15 wins/yr for the next 7 seasons to get to 250. It’s not impossible but highly unlikely at this point. Covid also put a dent in some win totals unfortunately.
 
Also, Koufax didn’t really become great until age 25 or 26. Kershaw has pretty much been great since he was 21.
One thing about Kershaw he has been loyal he could have went back to Texas to play last 2 seasons but he is a Dodger thru and thru...he wants to broadcast for them after retirement...which I think will be within next 2 years...
 
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