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BiGdNtN

BiGdNtN

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I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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I agree...he never said he would win guess we all were fools....
 
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Dooley's contract is for six years. Do you think TN should pay Dooley full time when he's not working full time because of an injury he was responsible for?
 
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Unless that contract isn't in the best interest of the school! !! The direction of the program and lost revenue is a serious problem!!! Attendance has dropped every year and its obvious it was a mistake and he just can't get it done!!! He isn't the first coach to wash out in the SEC!!!
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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Contracts have buyouts in them! Buyouts for both sides!
 
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wouldn't a contract imply a certain level of production be maintained?
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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Honoring even another year would teach alot of our fans a much needed lesson in patience and good things come to those who wait. In the long run this instant gratification crap gets us nowhere.
 
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ELMAGNIFICO said:
Honoring even another year would teach alot of our fans a much needed lesson in patience and good things come to those who wait. In the long run this instant gratification crap gets us nowhere.
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Serious question? What have you seen in the last year or last 3 that makes anybody think another year would be any different??
 
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GoBigOrange98 said:
Unless that contract isn't in the best interest of the school! !! The direction of the program and lost revenue is a serious problem!!! Attendance has dropped every year and its obvious it was a mistake and he just can't get it done!!! He isn't the first coach to wash out in the SEC!!!
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Well noted, and that is exactly why there are buyout clauses in almost every contract. As long as both parties abide by the terms of the contract, including the buyout clause, there is no breach of contract... leaving both legally eligible parties to walk in different directions. Hamilton made a huge blunder when he set Kiffin's buyout at only 800K (I've forgotten what UT's part of the buyout in Kiffin's contract was). He made another mistake in making Dooley's contract for six years instead of four (with possible extensions for performance).
 
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This is Spurrier 8 season at SC...they just became top contenders in past few seasons...bet they glad they didn't fire him after year 3. Personally, I believe it takes time and a fan base that fully supports the team and coaches. That shows recruits we really building something in Ktown.
 
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BiGdNtN said:
This is Spurrier 8 season at SC...they just became top contenders in past few seasons...bet they glad they didn't fire him after year 3. Personally, I believe it takes time and a fan base that fully supports the team and coaches. That shows recruits we really building something in Ktown.
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I don't think anybody is arguing that it takes time.

They are arguing that giving Dooley more time is a waste.
 
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ELMAGNIFICO said:
Honoring even another year would teach alot of our fans a much needed lesson in patience and good things come to those who wait. In the long run this instant gratification crap gets us nowhere.
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We've been waiting 8 years for a consistently good football team.

Not one that is gonna contend for championships every year mind you, just one that can actually play fundamentally sound football for 60 minutes on both sides of the ball.

Find a coach that can get that out of a Vols team, and the wins will come.
 
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Then I guess that real contract language buy out clause don't apply for old schoolers because they would change what the industry (and it is one) has been doing for a dozen years. UT does not make the rules for how the industry does contracts. Both parties agreed to the buy out clause, as stupid as it was for UT to do so with an unknown, unproven coach. So old schoolers have to agree to it as well.

And I am an old schooler that says to hurry and start writing those monthly checks to Dools for the buy out before UT loses what's left of its football program.
 
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There is nothing inherently moral about a contract. It is nothing but a legal agreement with legal consequences for breach available through the courts.
 
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BiGdNtN said:
:snoring:

Should have been thought about before we put 6 years on the table.
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Maybe Dooley should have thought about his actions this off season. TN ask Dooley to give his all for this university and he didn't!
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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You know, I get where you're coming from, I really, really do. Unfortunately, society has just changed so much over the past twenty years. Everyone is so focused on immediate results, we want everything now. And to add insult to injury, we see other programs we used to dominate now killing us every year because of changes they made.

The safety net is the buyout. If a coach feels like he was "done wrong" or not given enough time when he is fired, he walks away with fistfulls of cash to ease the pain.

All that being said, I too, in many ways, long for the days of yesteryear.
 
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Contracts are made to ensure that both parties receive mutual benefit. However, UT is not benefitting from hiring Dooley. If UT was prospering from it's contract w/ CDD the university would reward him w/ an extension. Therefore, UT has every right not to honor the remainder of the contract and buy it out. This is a business - no business makes money by being run into the ground.
 
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OP must perform medial, manual labor for a living...stay out of business matters...K?
 
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BiGdNtN said:
This is Spurrier 8 season at SC...they just became top contenders in past few seasons...bet they glad they didn't fire him after year 3. Personally, I believe it takes time and a fan base that fully supports the team and coaches. That shows recruits we really building something in Ktown.
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Obviously you forget that UT played for the SECCG in 2007 - something USCe has never done; much less having won an BCS NC. Spurrier has gone to the equivalent of an Ole Miss or Miss State and made a Top 20 winning program. Much different story at UT which won SEC championships in the 90s and won their division a couple of times in the last 10 years.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your hero worship of Dools.
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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Ummmmm.
No.
 
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BiGdNtN said:
I was raised kind of old fashioned, therefore, I think a contract is something that when signed by both parties, should be upheld. I know I will get flamed and it doesn't work this way, but why have contracts if we don't uphold them. If a coach and school come to an agreement and sign a five year contract...then that coach should get five years to get the job done. Only way the coach or school should be able to negate the contact is if a moral or legal action occurs. I don't care if its Dooley, Fulmer, Gruden, etc...if a contract drawn up and signed for 3 or 5 years...then that's how long the coach should get to build a winning program. After the contract is up, you can extend it or move on to another coach without any multi million dollar buyouts. Just my 2cents worth...flame away negavols!
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I have a contract with my company(Landman-Aquisitions) and if I performed as poorly as Dooley has I would have been gone a long time ago.

Point is, Doofey is being paid A LOT of money to WIN games and he has had 3 years to do it. He has failed, and he will be a rich man for failing.
 
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TAF said:
OP must perform medial, manual labor for a living...stay out of business matters...K?
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Dude, it's the guys opinion. He's entitled to it. He even admits it's old school thinking. You don't have to be a condescending jerk about it. :no:
 
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