Oklahoma and Texas have reached out to join the SEC (allegedly)

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twoffo said:
I have no idea who knew about this move. If members are keeping conference matters secret from others that isn’t a good sign.

What would be kept secret from us?

But my point isn’t really about the desirability of this particular move, more about maintaining or developing the necessary structures to give us options in the event the mandates from the SEC Office are no longer palatable.

I understand the money is seductive. I would prefer we not allow it to become an addiction.
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This is a unique instance of secrecy since the Aggies are so crazy when it comes to Texas
 
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AurantiacoFan said:
WEST
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

EAST
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
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Tennessee will never win another NC at least in my lifetime -- this crap will shoot down alot of schools fan interest in football and its already a monopoly with the same 4 teams winning every season
 
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hog88 said:
There would be hundreds/thousands of contracts to break throughout all the sports.
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And? A contract is just an agreement. Having one in place just gives you grounds to seek recompense through the court system if the contract is broken by the other party, and even then the terms of the contract will come under scrutiny as to whether or not they were ever enforceable.

It's in no one's best interest for the other Big12 schools to try to sue Texas and Oklahoma into staying.

Most likely they'll negotiate for additional monetary compensation for them not honoring the 18-month notification clause in the contract.
 
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I think a lot of people don't realize how much we're about to see CFB change IF (and it's an if until people are standing at podiums) this actually happens. There won't be a power 4. It will be 3, possibly just 2. The B1G will not be content adding Kansas and a team to be named later. They'll make a run at Notre Dame and a big chunk of the Pac 12.

The ACC exists because 3 groups want it to. Those groups are (in no particular order) ESPN, Notre Dame, and The SEC. Yes, the SEC much prefers the ACC stay intact. They pose no real threat to us, so having them around is much better than having the B1G make a run at southern schools. And you can bet that if money is close to equal, UVA, UNC, and Duke would prefer the Big 10. Possibly even Georgia Tech.

The money difference makes every team not in B1G or SEC available. If Notre Dame really wants to avoid the B1G, they go all in on the ACC. New TV contract, more money, that conference is fine.

But if the B1G can get the 4 Cal schools, maybe Oregon and UW to move? Colorado and Utah are also AAU schools with good markets. That puts 5 schools ND plays every year (USC, Stanford, Purdue, Michigan St, and Michigan) in the same conference AND a TV payday every bit as big as the SEC is looking at. Could Notre Dame REALLY turn that down? I don't think so. Notre Dame will do what's best for Notre Dame and watch another conference they had one foot in die.

I'm not saying this happens, but I am saying, if I had to bet, behind closed doors these are the discussions being had in B1G country. Not adding just Kansas and Iowa St, which does nothing.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And? A contract is just an agreement. Having one in place just gives you grounds to seek recompense through the court system if the contract is broken by the other party, and even then the terms of the contract will come under scrutiny as to whether or not they were ever enforceable.

It's in no one's best interest for the other Big12 schools to try to sue Texas and Oklahoma into staying.

Most likely they'll negotiate for additional monetary compensation for them not honoring the 18-month notification clause in the contract.
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I'm talking about current members and the contracts between them and OOC schools. Schedules in all sports are set years in advance that would be a Herculean effort to move all of that around, buy out games and venues within 1 year. TX and OK buying their way out of the B12, that's nothing but cash.
 
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AurantiacoFan said:
WEST
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

EAST
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
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It is pretty well balanced.

The teams of the West together claim a total of 45 national titles, while those of the East collectively count 49 of them.

Every team in the West is to the west of every team in the East (something we're unable to say right now).

Three teams in each division ended in the Top 25 last year. The year before it was 3 and 4, so as close to balanced as an odd number gets.

Seems a no-brainer that this is how it will play out if we welcome those two programs into the SEC.

Here's hoping common sense rules.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm sure Boyd is seeing all those $$$$ and can't help himself, but this will ultimately be the final death knell for UT ever becoming relevant in college football again.

Recruiting will only get more difficult with Oklahoma and Texas in the conference once they start pulling more recruits from SEC states.
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On the other hand, there are a ton of recruits in the state of TX, way too many for Texas, A&M, and OU. All of a sudden schools like Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, and Ok St are going to look a lot less enticing and these guys may end up at other SEC schools.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
One pundit's shot at the future alignment:


Division A
Teams

Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M
Permanent Cross-Over Opponents

  • Missouri – Arkansas, South Carolina
  • Oklahoma – Florida, Vanderbilt
  • Texas – Kentucky, South Carolina
  • Texas A&M – Arkansas, Ole Miss
  • Division B
    Teams

    Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
    Permanent Cross-Over Opponents
    • Florida – Oklahoma, Tennessee
    • Georgia – Auburn, Tennessee
    • Kentucky – Miss State, Texas
    • South Carolina – Missouri, Texas
Division C
Teams

Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
Permanent Cross-Over Opponents

  • Arkansas – Missouri, Texas A&M
  • LSU – Alabama, Auburn
  • Miss State – Alabama, Kentucky
  • Ole Miss – Texas A&M, Vanderbilt


Division D
Teams

Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Permanent Cross-Over Opponents

  • Alabama – LSU, Miss State
  • Auburn – Georgia, LSU
  • Tennessee – Florida, Georgia
  • Vanderbilt – Oklahoma, Ole Miss


Pretty brutal for the Vols.
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Yeah the pods don't need to happen just add Texas to the east and Oklahoma to the west and leave everything else the same. Wish their was a way that our concerns can be heard
 
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I can't believe I am going to say this but I wouldn't mind seeing TN in another conference like the ACC. Our program has been in the toilet for 15 years and bringing TX and OK is going to make it that much harder to climb back out of the hole we've been in. We hired Pruitt when the NCAA moved signing day up to December, which was a set back, and now the NIL deal is only going to make the better teams much better.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I think a lot of people don't realize how much we're about to see CFB change IF (and it's an if until people are standing at podiums) this actually happens. There won't be a power 4. It will be 3, possibly just 2. The B1G will not be content adding Kansas and a team to be named later. They'll make a run at Notre Dame and a big chunk of the Pac 12.

The ACC exists because 3 groups want it to. Those groups are (in no particular order) ESPN, Notre Dame, and The SEC. Yes, the SEC much prefers the ACC stay intact. They pose no real threat to us, so having them around is much better than having the B1G make a run at southern schools. And you can bet that if money is close to equal, UVA, UNC, and Duke would prefer the Big 10. Possibly even Georgia Tech.

The money difference makes every team not in B1G or SEC available. If Notre Dame really wants to avoid the B1G, they go all in on the ACC. New TV contract, more money, that conference is fine.

But if the B1G can get the 4 Cal schools, maybe Oregon and UW to move? Colorado and Utah are also AAU schools with good markets. That puts 5 schools ND plays every year (USC, Stanford, Purdue, Michigan St, and Michigan) in the same conference AND a TV payday every bit as big as the SEC is looking at. Could Notre Dame REALLY turn that down? I don't think so. Notre Dame will do what's best for Notre Dame and watch another conference they had one foot in die.

I'm not saying this happens, but I am saying, if I had to bet, behind closed doors these are the discussions being had in B1G country. Not adding just Kansas and Iowa St, which does nothing.
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If the B1G starts getting interest from USC, Stanford, UW, etc they have a very large market from Rutgers/MD in the east to USC/UW in the west. I'm unsure they can pull that off but it starts to look eerily like a pre-Civil War map between the B1G and SEC.

I'd see Boston College and Syracuse looking at the B1G, while UVA and Duke might say screw it and look toward being Ivy League vanity sports programs. Clemson and UNC come to the SEC and..... did I leave anyone out that matters? I guess NC State and Wake..... but meh, who cares?

I'm not a fan of the "Power 2" but the money really is massive if the SEC and B1G start gobbling up territory and eyeballs.
 
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AurantiacoFan said:
WEST
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

EAST
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
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I have zero interest in adding Oklahoma or Texas, but since it appears to be happening, I do like this division setup you've mentioned. Toss permanent cross division rivals and go to a 7+ (1 or 2) conference schedule with rotating cross division opponents. The East division would have the rivals the SEC seems most concerned with preserving in Iron Bowl, TSIO, Cocktail Party, Auburn-Georgia, and Florida can get their old rivalry back on the regular with Auburn.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I have zero interest in adding Oklahoma or Texas, but since it appears to be happening, I do like this division setup you've mentioned. Toss permanent cross division rivals and go to a 7+ (1 or 2) conference schedule with rotating cross division opponents. The East division would have the rivals the SEC seems most concerned with preserving in Iron Bowl, TSIO, Cocktail Party, Auburn-Georgia, and Florida can get their old rivalry back on the regular with Auburn.
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I'd like to see a 9 game SEC schedule, 7 division and 2 rotating cross division every year.
 
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#567
hog88 said:
I'd like to see a 9 game SEC schedule, 7 division and 2 rotating cross division every year.
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I'd be fine with that if we have the divisions Aurantiaco mentioned earlier.

Edit: That East division would basically be like getting the old pre-92 SEC gang back together, minus the Mississippi schools and LSU and with the Chickens added. Only thing I like in this entire situation honestly, from a Tennessee schedule standpoint.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'd be fine with that if we have the divisions Aurantiaco mentioned earlier.

Edit: That East division would basically be like getting the old pre-92 SEC gang back together, minus the Mississippi schools and LSU and with the Chickens added. Only thing I like in this entire situation honestly, from a Tennessee schedule standpoint.
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I dont see a 2 division system. I see four where you play the three teams in your division and then play three teams from each of the other three divisions on rotation. No OOC games anymore.
 
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#570
MWAVolfan said:
I dont see a 2 division system. I see four where you play the three teams in your division and then play three teams from each of the other three divisions on rotation. No OOC games anymore.
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I agree to the most part, but South Carolina won’t agree not to play Clemson, UF w/ FSU, UGA/GT..etc Those games are going to continue, especially after so many were bothered missing them this past season. I want the 4 team divisions playing 2 teams from each division for a total of 9 games.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I dont see a 2 division system. I see four where you play the three teams in your division and then play three teams from each of the other three divisions on rotation. No OOC games anymore.
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That adds a 14th game to be the SECC then with the playoffs expanding to 12 your looking at 16-17 games for the NC. It ain't happening.
 
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AurantiacoFan said:
WEST
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Texas
Texas A&M

EAST
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
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Holy sh*t! There's maybe 2 or 3 easy outs in both those lists. Winning the SEC championship is starting to look like winning the lottery.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm sure Boyd is seeing all those $$$$ and can't help himself, but this will ultimately be the final death knell for UT ever becoming relevant in college football again.

Recruiting will only get more difficult with Oklahoma and Texas in the conference once they start pulling more recruits from SEC states.
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Disagree. Texas hasn’t been anything special in a while. No reason we can’t get things turned around.
 
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