Oklahoma and Texas have reached out to join the SEC (allegedly)

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There are things I like and don’t like about this as a fan.

From a business perspective, it’s a boss move.

Frankly, I never thought they’d do it or that oklahoma would leave without little brother
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I think this will happen immediately (2022). They wont draw this thing out. The other schools will want to figure out sooner than later if the Big12 will implode or if they will get new schools on board.
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2023 is my prediction. Too many schedules to change in all sports, contracts for OOC games to be brought out or rescheduled. Whole lot of moving parts to get it done for the 2022 season.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
I think this will happen immediately (2022). They wont draw this thing out. The other schools will want to figure out sooner than later if the Big12 will implode or if they will get new schools on board.
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Yeah that’s what I said. A 1 year farewell tour (this season) and then leave
 
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BeardedVol said:
You're taking two programs with massive recruiting budgets, and administrations that are hell-bent on winning,
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This has always been true. Texas and Oklahoma have never considered Tennessee a rival in recruiting. Just because they are in the SEC doesnt change their recruiting footprint. They will still recruit the kids they have always recruited. Them being in the SEC or the Big12 wont change that. NIL, however might change that.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
I just put 1+1 together. it probably took me longer then it should have. Sankey and the SEC have aligned themselves with Disney. Sankey is just the face. This is a Disney type restructuring. No wonder it seemed like such a classical take over.
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DD, there are a whole lot of steps between you imagining something and it being true. I mean, you imagine it...then maybe it is plausible (or not)...then maybe you gather some evidence it could be true (or not)...then you weigh that evidence against he contradictory evidence (there's always evidence pointing other directions)...then you determine which body of evidence seems most likely...then you find a way to confirm it's actually true.

You seem to always just jump from "I imagined it" to "it must be true." Heh. :)
 
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There is a VERY strong possibility rn that UT could be facing lil'ut/bama (alternating), clemson, and oklahoma every year rn. It is not announced or anything, but that is where this is headed. UT's best advantage rn is you are part of this group. TENNESSEE can hold it's own with Georgia in Georgia right?
 
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golfballs said:
Yeah that’s what I said. A 1 year farewell tour (this season) and then leave
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Well, yeah sorry, that's a given. There's no way they will leave the conference WEEKS before the season starts. There's no time to change the schedules.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Well, yeah sorry, that's a given. There's no way they will leave the conference WEEKS before the season starts. There's no time to change the schedules.
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Of course not. I said in my post that if Maryland finds it advantageous and can wriggle out of a $50M buyout, I’m sure Texas and Oklahoma can figure out how to deal w the $80M one they face
 
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BeardedVol said:
If Sankey wasn't going to try to make it happen in 2022, then I doubt we'd be hearing about it now.
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Don’t think it can happen in 2022. B12 requires an 18-month heads up. 2023 is the earliest, although some reports this morning said that both Texas and OU are willing to wait until 2025.
 
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Something tells me this is not a done deal. I can't imagine the B1G not making a run at Texas and OU which would fit right in with each's inflated opinions of themselves. Either way the SEC wins. If they go north, the SEC dodges a Texas sized bullet; if they come here, the world's toughest conference gets tougher. If I were betting, I'd say it's about 60/40 they show up on our doorstep.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
This has always been true. Texas and Oklahoma have never considered Tennessee a rival in recruiting. Just because they are in the SEC doesnt change their recruiting footprint. They will still recruit the kids they have always recruited. Them being in the SEC or the Big12 wont change that. NIL, however might change that.
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And they didn't play in the SEC. There are a lot of players in SEC states, that wouldn't play for Texas or Oklahoma because they are in the BIg12, but would consider a school like Tennessee for quicker playing time. Now those players are going to have two more options at top schools in the conference.

UT already struggles to get the top players in our own state, and that will become more difficult with the addition of Oklahoma and Texas. States with top talent won't be affect much, but the current mid-tier and below will end up schedule-filler for schools in states that have substantial talent bases.
 
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arkyvol said:
Something tells me this is not a done deal. I can't imagine the B1G not making a run at Texas and OU which would fit right in with each's inflated opinions of themselves. Either way the SEC wins. If they go north, the SEC dodges a Texas sized bullet; if they come here, the world's toughest conference gets tougher. If I were betting, I'd say it's about 60/40 they show up on our doorstep.
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At this point it’s 100%.
 
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There's going to be no such thing as the group of 5 soon enough. There will be the top 70-80 teams in the nation, and then the rest will be left behind because of NIL. FBS will truly become a minor league now for the NFL, but some players might stay longer given they can make pretty good money in college now. Any group of 5 team that is serious about football need to figure out a way to join a bigger name conference soon like the BIG12 or PAC12.
 
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arkyvol said:
Something tells me this is not a done deal. I can't imagine the B1G not making a run at Texas and OU which would fit right in with each's inflated opinions of themselves. Either way the SEC wins. If they go north, the SEC dodges a Texas sized bullet; if they come here, the world's toughest conference gets tougher. If I were betting, I'd say it's about 60/40 they show up on our doorstep.
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From what I read, due to legal reasons TX and OK had to be the one's who reached out, to avoid conference interference. And those two schools chose the SEC.

It's a done deal otherwise we wouldn't know about it. According to them this has been a secret for six months, it's not a coincidence that it's been "leaked" now.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Don’t think it can happen in 2022. B12 requires an 18-month heads up. 2023 is the earliest, although some reports this morning said that both Texas and OU are willing to wait until 2025.
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Pretty much any contract can be litigated, a sympathetic administrative judge could throw out the 18-month notice as 'unenforceable' given the nature of TV contracts and college football season scheduling.

Regardless, it will end up in court most likely unless Texas and Oklahoma just buy their way out of the contract and tell the other Big12 members to go sit in a corner.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Don’t think it can happen in 2022. B12 requires an 18-month heads up. 2023 is the earliest, although some reports this morning said that both Texas and OU are willing to wait until 2025.
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Contracts are just money. You can break any contract by negotiating a buyout. I'm sure whatever money they would owe to get out of that contract pales in comparison to what they will get in the SEC and how bad off those remaining Big12 schools will be. The money from breaking the contract is little consolation.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Will the SECCG start rotating stadiums to include AT&T stadium?
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Right now the contract goes through 2027, I believe. If I'm Atlanta/Mercedes-Benz stadium, I'd be trying to add an extension to that pretty quickly. Dallas/Jerry's world would likely make a big push to get it to at least alternate between Atlanta and Dallas.
 
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rdk4121 said:
There's going to be no such thing as the group of 5 soon enough. There will be the top 70-80 teams in the nation, and then the rest will be left behind because of NIL. FBS will truly become a minor league now for the NFL, but some players might stay longer given they can make pretty good money in college now. Any group of 5 team that is serious about football need to figure out a way to join a bigger name conference soon like the BIG12 or PAC12.
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other side of the coin is that those top 70-80 will soon be charging NFL prices. the average fan is not going to be able to afford to go with any regularity, especially if they do away with OOC games. people might actually 'rediscover' lower competition level programs close to home where they can go watch a game and have a quality experience for basically nothing.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
DD, there are a whole lot of steps between you imagining something and it being true. I mean, you imagine it...then maybe it is plausible (or not)...then maybe you gather some evidence it could be true (or not)...then you weigh that evidence against he contradictory evidence (there's always evidence pointing other directions)...then you determine which body of evidence seems most likely...then you find a way to confirm it's actually true.

You seem to always just jump from "I imagined it" to "it must be true." Heh. :)
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I'm not so much smart as I am experienced. I recognize things, and at my age, most of them have turned out true, more then not. I announced that I was summarizing from the start. Now I watch the theater play out. It's what I do. It's why I watch every Saturday way past my prime.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Contracts are just money. You can break any contract by negotiating a buyout. I'm sure whatever money they would owe to get out of that contract pales in comparison to what they will get in the SEC and how bad off those remaining Big12 schools will be. The money from breaking the contract is little consolation.
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There would be hundreds/thousands of contracts to break throughout all the sports.
 
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rdk4121 said:
There's going to be no such thing as the group of 5 soon enough. There will be the top 70-80 teams in the nation, and then the rest will be left behind because of NIL. FBS will truly become a minor league now for the NFL, but some players might stay longer given they can make pretty good money in college now. Any group of 5 team that is serious about football need to figure out a way to join a bigger name conference soon like the BIG12 or PAC12.
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If I were the NFL I would simply take the schools left out after this phase and offer them the chance to become part of an official NFL minor league.
Why should they leave money on the table for the SEC?

If you are an NFL franchise wouldn’t you like to expand your empire with a turnkey minor league affiliate?

As a player if your goal is the NFL would you rather sign with Alabama or Texas? Or the Dallas Cowboys farm team at Oklahoma State?

I think there is a better than even chance that the NFL becomes the biggest competition to the new SEC, not the ACC or B1G.
 
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