Ok, I'm sick of getting shafted for getting a next-gen system

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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm glad everyone has contributed so much to this thread, and I'm sure you all feel like you conveyed your points very well. And I'm sure in your mind, I should be convinced now that I am not getting screwed.

You see I follow all the websites, the "predictions for PSN releases next month" websites. As do many of my gaming friends. And then I see "Final Fantasy X/X-2" and I'm like "Awesome! Oh wait..... PS3 only....."

Then I see "Arkham City" and I'm like "Awesome! Oh wait....... PS3 only......"

Then I see "2-D side scrolling Indy garbage! Coming to the PS4!!!" and I go "hmmmmm........ yeah that blows". Then I feel shafted. Sorry if that's difficult to comprehend for everyone, but again, I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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Your definition of contribution is on the same childish level as your OP. if you don't want to hear what people think, whether they agree or not, why the **** post a thread complaining?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Your definition of contribution is on the same childish level as your OP. if you don't want to hear what people think, whether they agree or not, why the **** post a thread complaining?
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I wasn't being sarcastic about the contribution part.

Except earlier when it came to you and your griping about griping.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I wasn't being sarcastic about the contribution part.

Except earlier when it came to you and your griping about griping.
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I don't gripe about something that I knew wouldn't be the case before I purchased something. You keep trying to convey that Sony tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, when they came out and said exactly what they would be offering before launch.
 
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Don't worry, the PS4 and XOne will be backwards compatible......when they start charging you to play the games you already bought the last gen via downloading and cloud based gaming.

Basically the Nintendo model just utilizing streaming instead of releasing new physical copies.
 
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Backward Compatibility is a deal breaker for me, I bought a PS4 to play PS4 games, not PS1 through PS3. If they waste their time and drive space for backward compatibility I'm demanding a partial refund, and getting another Jaguar. At least that system is proud of what it is.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
speaking of backwards compatibility have you heard the rumor going around that Sony is going to announce Backwards compatibility with ps1 and ps2 games on your PS4 at E3 this year?
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Sony is creating a cloud based streaming system to play old games. It'll be on phones, tablets, and the PS4.

I dont foresee the actual PS4 playing old discs from these generations unless it just unlocks the game on the streaming server.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
Backward Compatibility is a deal breaker for me, I bought a PS4 to play PS4 games, not PS1 through PS3. If they waste their time and drive space for backward compatibility I'm demanding a partial refund, and getting another Jaguar. At least that system is proud of what it is.
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I agree. And trust me I wouldn't even be thinking about what PS1 games I can/can't download if there were more true PS4 games out. But obviously there aren't yet.

So, on a side note from all this, I did download DC Universe. Not terrible actually. Hated it at first but I'm getting addicted.
 
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I actually like BC, because I like not having to have so many systems hooked up to play games.

I don't like having to re-buy games I already bought.
 
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I'm not reading 6 pages of arguing, but I will leave this here.

Sony said they would not have backwards compatibility on the ps4 forever ago. I would not expect a last gen game to be available in anyway. Case closed.
 
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BruiserVol said:
I'm not reading 6 pages of arguing, but I will leave this here.

Sony said they would not have backwards compatibility on the ps4 forever ago. I would not expect a last gen game to be available in anyway. Case closed.
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Thread wasn't about backwards compatibility.
 
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DrRosenRosen said:
Sony is creating a cloud based streaming system to play old games. It'll be on phones, tablets, and the PS4.

I dont foresee the actual PS4 playing old discs from these generations unless it just unlocks the game on the streaming server.
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According to this rumor, PlayStation Now will only be for streaming PS3 and PS4 titles. PS1 and PS2 titles will be software emulated (though it's not clear if this will support old disks or if you will have to re-purchase digitally).

PS1/PS2 games heading to PlayStation 4 • News • DigitalFoundry • Eurogamer.net

By Richard Leadbetter Published Tuesday, 28 January 2014


Backwards compatibility is coming to PlayStation 4, and PlayStation Now is only part of the story. A well-placed source working with Sony's streaming service reveals that only PlayStation 3 titles are currently scheduled to use the "gameplay over IP" cloud service. PS1 and PS2 titles are set to follow the more conventional route of running locally under emulation on Sony's latest console - but with the possibility of HD visual enhancements.

While Sony effectively phased out hardware emulation of previous platforms during the early stages of the PS3 era, it has worked consistently on opening up the PlayStation back catalogue to publishers via software emulation and PSN downloads. Internally, PlayStation 3's firmware contains emulators for PS1, PS2 and even the handheld PSP, while Vita is capable of running PS1 and PSP titles virtually flawlessly using the same technology. In short, there's a proven codebase that can only get better for the vastly more powerful PS4.

Our information suggests that the same internal emulator strategy is planned for PlayStation 4, and we understand that Sony is actively pursuing the ability for older titles to run without the blurry upscaling seen on PS3, suggesting that native HD resolutions are being targeted. Assuming this intention carries through to final code, we'll be seeing an effect similar to the resolution scaling seen on unofficial PC emulation of Sony's consoles, as well as a great many of the "HD remasters" we saw on PS3 - where original assets were rendered at a higher resolution, often without any actual remastering at all.

Sony's use of emulation as opposed to PlayStation Now streaming is an interesting decision - and the right one for enthusiast gamers. Running code locally provides a superior experience in terms of both input latency and image quality, and owing to the bandwidth requirements of continuous gameplay streaming, a single download could actually work out better economically for the platform holder. However, anything that can be run on PS3 can also operate on the PlayStation Now servers, so theoretically there is no technical reason why PS1, PS2 and PSP titles running on the existing, upscaling PS3 emulators couldn't be added to the streaming service should Sony see fit - though HD resolution scaling would most likely be off the table in those circumstances.
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Toujours Pret said:
Backward Compatibility is a deal breaker for me, I bought a PS4 to play PS4 games, not PS1 through PS3. If they waste their time and drive space for backward compatibility I'm demanding a partial refund, and getting another Jaguar. At least that system is proud of what it is.
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:eek:lol:

Coming from someone who actually owned a Jaguar, worst controller EVER! The D pad moved like it was encased in cement!
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Thread wasn't about backwards compatibility.
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If it isn't compatible with that system then why would a download from that same system be compatible? That's where it comes in. What I'm getting out of this is there aren't good choices on ps4 like there was last gen. The ps4 just came out. Give it time. If the argument is you are talkin about the downloads, then once again why would they be on that system when they were for last gen?
 
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BruiserVol said:
If it isn't compatible with that system then why would a download from that same system be compatible? That's where it comes in. What I'm getting out of this is there aren't good choices on ps4 like there was last gen. The ps4 just came out. Give it time. If the argument is you are talkin about the downloads, then once again why would they be on that system when they were for last gen?
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Huh? You realize backwards compatibility and being able to download older games from earlier systems are completely different concepts, right?
 
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Man.. consoles are getting so expensive.. and not just the short term cost. Long term console expenses with accessories, games, DLCs, etc are crazy. Sony and MS are doing their level best to pigeon hole the consumer base into proprietary goods and services.

The latest console I have is the xbox 360. I recently built a home theater pc and have been running steam for a lot of the games I play. I would hope that had sony and MS continue to squeeze their customers, more people will move toward online gaming services like steam. Thus bring more titles to the open market instead of being locked down for release on just one console or the other.

Either way, Im getting too old to be sinking that kind of money into consoles anymore. I just build a beast with enough power to outrun any console for the next few generations and call it good.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Huh? You realize backwards compatibility and being able to download older games from earlier systems are completely different concepts, right?
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Is it? I'm not too good to admit I'm wrong if I am lol. I would just guess the coding in the game would have to go through something different to be able to?
 
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BruiserVol said:
Is it? I'm not too good to admit I'm wrong if I am lol. I would just guess the coding in the game would have to go through something different to be able to?
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I mean I guess you could say it either way. But if a system can download first-gen games but can't play a first-gen disc it's not considered backwards compatible.

Likewise if a system were unable to download first-gen games, but can play old discs it is considered backwards compatible.
 
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Emulation and backwards compatibility are separate solutions to the old games question.
 
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The architecture of the PS3 and PS4 are so different that it takes a lot of time and money to port games over. So it is doubtful you will ever see any big name games ported over just to be free on PS+. Still I have a feeling by year end you will see a PS4 game like Knack or Injustice free on PS+.

You do realize you are claiming you are getting shafted in your OP, because what you are getting free is not as good as what someone else got for free? The entitlement you feel is not caused by Sony, but by your uninformed expections. A year ago anyone could of told you this just based on the fact the PS4 didn't use the Cell processor.

Also I give Sony tons of credit for offering any free games at all on the PS4. The PS3 is giving you old games, while so far Sony is giving you games that haven't been released for PS4. They could of easily said we have to buildup a library before offering free games.

The only complaint you could really make is Driveclub. The limited game was suppose to be free on launch, and many preorderd with this in mind.
 
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